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I did use the bucket truck on that tree, to make sure the lower two limbs didn't limb lock on the way back up. After that I didn't need it... bucket was too short to rigg the top out without damaging the maple below it.
 
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I'd rather throw up a digit..

and yes Roger, when the masses here say "pulling with a vehicle is wrong" or the only use for plunge cuts is on head leaners and no one (or nearly no one) has anything to say about it... I call that a critical mass of ignorance..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JrK4gnNqOU&feature=related

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Unfortunately your Apocalypse Now reference was irrelevant and un-funny. Oops.
 
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I'd rather throw up a digit..


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Maybe that's why Chisholm hasn't posted in the video forum here for over a year, and barely spends any time on his own site these days.


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What's with you anymore Dan? It just doesn't add up.
 
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I did use the bucket truck on that tree, to make sure the lower two limbs didn't limb lock on the way back up. After that I didn't need it... bucket was too short to rigg((s) the top out without damaging the maple below it.

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Truth be told , if the bucket was high enough you would not have done it that way . Here s what you need click here
 
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DO you expect me to explain all that in my intros? ...the video is just for fun.

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Daniel, thanks for explaining everything. But yes, if you explained these things in the video, it would save you the time of typing it up, don't you think?
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If your videos are for fun and not for sharing your competence/techniques, then why any intro at all? Why not cut to the chase and mix some music with action? If, you're gonna have any sort of intro, you may as well do it thoroughly.

Okay, I digress...
 
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Truth be told , if the bucket was high enough you would not have done it that way .

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Probably not .. might have taken more weight out of the top. BUT anything that got roped out of that tree needed chipping and raking, anything that ended up in the field stayed where it laid. Either way the tree had to come over the wires at some point. The cut and basic rigging set up would have been the same.

I'd like to get another 10' on a newer bucket, might even go to a spider lift. also just added 3 new blocks and 2 slings to the kit, as per your recommendations. You'll have to show me how to splice that tenex.
 
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Daniel, thanks for explaining everything. But yes, if you explained these things in the video, it would save you the time of typing it up, don't you think?
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If your videos are for fun and not for sharing your competence/techniques, then why any intro at all? Why not cut to the chase and mix some music with action? If, you're gonna have any sort of intro, you may as well do it thoroughly.

Okay, I digress...

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easier said than done... No script writing.. its all ad lib.. there are just too many factors to cover.. and if I tried, then I'd be talking for minutes... and you'd all say.. "shut up and cut the tree"..
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seriously though... when you saw the steep angle of the pull line.. do you really think I wanted it that way? You ought to give me a bit more credit than that by now..
 
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Not a good idea to pull conventional lines at "50-60% of tensile" Of course, the forces were really unknown.....as was the forces on a couple of the anchors, which were surely very high.

As I've said before, high modulus lines are the proper tool for such extreme pulling operations, for the safety they provide, and for the fact that they are designed to be loaded to much higher percentage of tensile than regular lines, and over and over again.....but not shock loaded.


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Apparently the folks in Hollywood need to hear this info as well Roger.

Just saw this news bit and thought of your post.. You all may think I get wreckless and lucky, and I might think you all lack experience and knowledge, but this is a good post. And if it ends up saving a life down the road, then it was a worthwhile conversation.

Here's the news blurb:
The action on the set of 'Transformers 3' got a little too real and seriously injured extra Gabriella Cedillo during a stunt in the Chicago area on Wednesday. The aspiring actress underwent head surgery a day later, and according to a CBS 2 report, is currently in stable condition.

The 24-year-old's mother and brother confirmed with CBS following the surgery.

However, according to RadarOnline.com, sources on set report that the operation was specifically brain surgery.

Fellow extra Blaine Baker spoke with ABC 7, detailing the horrific accident.

"The vehicle was being towed by another vehicle," Baker told ABC. "The cable between the two vehicles broke. It whipped around and sliced through the woman's car and sliced through her skull, apparently."

ABC also reports that Cedillo is not a stuntwoman, and according to sources on the ground, the sequence involved flipping cars and a pressurized cannon that launched vehicles attached to a steel cable.

Also reported by ABC, Cedillo was in her own 2006 Toyota when the accident happened.

Nikki Finke reports that most extras got paid $25 to have their personal cars included on the set.

This isn't the first time someone has been hurt on the set of a 'Transformers' movie. Leading man Shia LeBeouf was nearly blinded by a prop while shooting 'Transformers 2.'
 
Interesting to read about filming T3. Let me share a story...this might give more insight into the qualifications of the 'riggers' on the set.

I googled the injured actor's name and read more details about what happened. Once again the media got some things wrong:

http://tinyurl.com/36ulbey

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Filming for T3 was going on while the ISA conference was in Chicago. On Friday evening Tim Walsh and I were wandering along the Chicago river, zig zagging from the river level to the bridges, taking in the sights and looking for a place to eat. We were up above and saw a pile of huge weldments and 'stuff' piled up that caught our eye. We looked closer and could see that is was gear for sets. Because we stopped to look and were too close a guy wearing a yellow t-shirt came over and told us to move away and move along. Politely but firmly. We asked what was going on and he told us they were filming for T3.

Tim and I walked on and got more interested when we saw a setup for some sort of stunt. A bridge was blocked off from city traffic. On the south side of the bridge a smaller telescoping manlift was parked facing N with the boom partially extended. A rope was attached to and eye on the lift then ran up through a pulley on the boom where the basket attaches. We couldn't get close enough to see how big that block was. We went over the bridge to the N side and found a similar setup with a larger manlift. On the N side the larger lift was obviously going to be used to lift and tension some sort of zipline. The rope that was used we guessed was half inch Amsteel or equal. Scary strong stuff with NO stretch which was a good choice for the application.

As Tim and I stood there and studied the setup we became a little concerned with the choice of gear. The rope was redirected through a two inch aluminum pulley and a single aluminum screw gate biner was clipped to the lift below the basket.

The boom was extended up maybe 20-25 feet and then boomed forward, I don't know, maybe 20 degrees from vertical.

As we looked at the setup Tim and I wondered how heavy a log we would send down the zipline in this configuration. We both agreed...not very big. Because of the rope angles at the redirect and the use of small aluminum gear we had a concern that something might blow apart. If the boom were raised and tipped forward to tension the line or get the right angle we wondered if the boom could be tipped forward.

Having come forward to share concerns with tree workers and being met with hard looks and anger we both knew that it would make NO sense to even attempt to talk with the 'riggers'. There were a few guys with official looking t-shirts but crowd control was keeping us groundlings back very far.

We took some pictures but none turned out very clear because of the light and where we could get to take the pics. Without a bunch of editing the pics wouldn't be very useful here.

Crowd control shuffled every body away and we ended up on the next bridge to the west to watch the scene being filmed. The actor had on a full body harness with dorsal support. The zipline pulley had a tether and clip on it. The scene involved the actor running from N-->S and jumping from one partially raised bridge deck, across the gap and landing on the lower deck which wasn't as high. Technical error alert---> in this bridge configuration both sides of the lift bridge go up at the same angles not one lower than the other...oh..yeah, Hollywood.

We watched the scene being shot about eight times. In each shot the N manlift was boomed up and out to tension the line. Now, we were at least 2+ blocks away so we couldn't see the redi angles very well. Judging by the deflection in the rope when the actor jumped from deck to deck we could tell that the rope was tight!!! At any moment we expected to see the redi pulley break. The actor would not have likely been killed but would have been bashed up if the rigging failed. He was never far off the ground. More of a concern was tipping the manlift or what would happen if the redi rigging broke and went flying.

Now...I read this note...it confirms that the stunt director may need to brush up on some technicalities.
 
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I love a good derail but I'm still not seeing a relationship between transformers and Roger's comments.

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Try using Feng Shui. That will allow your mind to cross from unreality to reality.
It will also allow you to clean gutters at an expert level.

SZ
 
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I love a good derail but I'm still not seeing a relationship between transformers and Roger's comments.

[/ QUOTE ]I just reread Dan's post. Maybe he had no beef with my post about rope materials and characteristics.....I assume the T3 catastrophe involved wire rope?
 
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Try using Feng Shui. That will allow your mind to cross from unreality to reality.
It will also allow you to clean gutters at an expert level.

SZ

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Screw you I'm just NOW getting the hang of unreality!


...and I have lackeys that clean my gutters and the gutters of my nicer customers for me, thankyouverymuch.


Feng Shui, yeahright, everybody knows psychoactive mushrooms work waaay better.
 
Between reality and unreality we have boreality. If you drink the mushroom tea, you'll see more trees than Paul Bunyan could cut down in a hundred lifetimes even with Babe helping.

When the mushrooms wear off you'll notice it's just a narrow strip of trees beside the highway to hide the clearcuts.
 

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