Accident Prevention

Mrtree 90% or more of your posts are abbrassive and rude, like you're drunk. You've already said this thread was ruined a few pages ago. Here's an idea, hang a sign outside your playhouse, "No eriks, or anyone I don't like" that ought to do it.:)
 
100% of your post are useless Levi. I guess I can be abrasive and rude, you can be a waste of air and skin.

And do re-read, this whole thread started as a way to think of accidents and their prevention and has grown to a bunch of people who have nothing to say except we deserve more money, we are great climbers; and the rest of the BS that fills every safety-based thread on this forum
 
This thread was ruined when we had the typical response about injuries and death that we can't do anything because tree workers are so special and hazards cannot be controlled. Operate the same way, get the same results.

In a week or two spring work will bring a string of deaths and we will wonder once again wonder how it can happen over and over, and every body will yell worker is an idiot, not regulated, not experienced, but very few will give any real solutions.
 
mrtree said:
100% of your post are useless Levi. I guess I can be abrasive and rude, you can be a waste of air and skin.

And do re-read, this whole thread started as a way to think of accidents and their prevention and has grown to a bunch of people who have nothing to say except we deserve more money, we are great climbers; and the rest of the BS that fills every safety-based thread on this forum
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If you're so put off by the content then why do you continue to grace us with your endearing presence? You might be better off spending more time with your imaginary friends.
 
I did reread it and found the fire department analogy interesting. I won't belabor any points but I would say things aren't as governed or safe as it may seem. Discipline is what drives safe work practices in the fire service. Not in terms of penalizing people but company discipline. Leadership is the key to the top firefighting crews. The supervisor by far sets the tone and leads by example. What we are facing in the fire service is a reduced amount of fires and the major contributing factors for accidents and injures is a lack of experience. Firefighting is not a textbook skill and as you have less and less fires your supervisors are less and less skilled. I've always liked to say your time in service doesn't equate to your experience and expertise. Just because you've been the game for 30 years doesn't make you an expert firefighter. I do think the firefighting industry accepts safety much more than the tree industry. I think the perceived inherent risks are more tangible. Supervisors are also forced to enforce the safety as when a subordinate is injured the supervisor takes a beating as well. Not much of a contribution but an observation.
 
I had one particular fire years ago where a fellow firefighter was burned. He was lauded as a hero for going the extra mile and risking his life to get the job done. The actual case, for anyone who had half an ounce of knowledge, is that he was reckless, stupid and made an overconfident poorly executed decision that not only almost cost him his life but those of his team members. His gear is on display at the training center and many of us believe it should have a big description of what not to do. The guy was an idiot.

My current boss loves to tell the story about being nearly electrocuted on a primary years ago. He wears it like a badge of honor. I constantly remind him how stupid he was every time he tells a new guy the story. I believe attitude and skill trump equally. The most dangerous worker is one who overestimates knowledge, experience, and expertise. Our industry as well as the fire service is riddled by guys who talk big talk and have nothing to back it up with. I like to refer to them as big hat, no cattle. Disclaimer: I'm not referring to anyone on this thread.

In my area, shitty tree work and poor safety habits are inbred as many people jump from company to company and the bosses are looking for the cash.
 
I done did broke my dang ol inter web machine. Recken I aughta call that Al Gore fella ta fix it in the mornin.
Sum bitch.
 
Muy bien.

I was just bitching cuz my Wifi went out because or strong storms rolling through Cbus. I'll probably be chopping up self destructing pears in the am. Cant wait.

All appropriate PPE of course.
 
Uhhhh
So I think it would be fair to say we can observe the presense of both skilled people and dead ones in the industry and most would agree there should be more of the former. It would also be fair to say, the best way to stay safe in the tree industry is to not fuck up or let anyone else fuck up around you.
And skills are important. How do I know when I have enough skill to be safe? Until I stop hurting myself. So true.
Can I get smarter to protect myself as well? Some may say yes, I think.
Some may even have their own ways of avoiding the self destruction or excluding underqualified workers. I would like to find out more. Any offers from the crowd of expert professionals out there? Any one have a story about a newbie that maybe didnt maim or kill or destroy?
 
mrtree said:
Believing that skills will prevent an accident is naive and does not offer an approach as expected in hazard and risk analysis. Accident prevention refers to the plans, preparations and actions taken to avoid or stop an accident before it happens (From https://www.safeopedia.com/definition/206/accident-prevention). Directional felling is not a plan, it is only a skill, hazard and risk assessment is one part of the preparation that can stop an accident.
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FALLING SKILLS WILL ABSOLUTELY PREVENT ACCIDENTS!
however the majority of those accidents are to the faller... not some bystander...

I have a 100% no override policy that no one except the faller is to be in the potential drop zone before the back cut is started... that is 360° radius of 120% the trees height.... And often use redirects and equipment to pull, with the faller exiting the DZ before calling for the pull..

The point is that its not either or..... its both... get the rules straight on DZ and teach/learn falling skills...
 
@mrtree it takes a real sack of shit to wish death on anyone you don't want an understanding of safety you just want to be the only one who's right. All points you wish but to make are ruined by your shit delivery. So if you actually did care one ounce about improving our industry, maybe act like you give a shit about the people you wish were smarter.
Otherwise your just another old "know it all" with nothing to offer but whiny offensive behavior making you sound like the most ignorant prick on here.
You're the equivalent of the "just fucking cut it" guy. An asshole
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
@mrtree it takes a real sack of shit to wish death on anyone you don't want an understanding of safety you just want to be the only one who's right. All points you wish but to make are ruined by your shit delivery. So if you actually did care one ounce about improving our industry, maybe act like you give a shit about the people you wish were smarter.
Otherwise your just another old "know it all" with nothing to offer but whiny offensive behavior making you sound like the most ignorant prick on here.
You're the equivalent of the "just fucking cut it" guy. An asshole
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Hey, man. I am offended. Sometimes "just fucking cut it" is appropriate.
 
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