30 plus years one handing a saw !

Tom Dunlap said:
Huh?

Which of the two are you thinking about?
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Tom, please don't play dumb here. You don't post on AS for a reason...
You and Mark own an old dog who has a long and storied history of crapping on carpets and occasionally biting other dogs, cats, turtles, et cetera. When this dog screws up, it looks up at you with those big sorrowful eyes, and you just want to dream that all is fine and good, and teach it to sing Kumbaya
Take your dog behind the barn and shoot it. Or at least get it neutered.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will bite him last...
W. Churchill.
 
Pelorus said:
Tom, please don't play dumb here. You don't post on AS for a reason...
You and Mark own an old dog who has a long and storied history of crapping on carpets and occasionally biting other dogs, cats, turtles, et cetera. When this dog screws up, it looks up at you with those big sorrowful eyes, and you just want to dream that all is fine and good, and teach it to sing Kumbaya
Take your dog behind the barn and shoot it. Or at least get it neutered.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will bite him last...
W. Churchill.
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If you dislike this place so much and the way it's run, why don't you just leave? No one is forcing you to engage in any conversations, or post on this forum.
 
You're right, Royce. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. One hand on a saw, two hands, a hand and a foot; it's all good. No justified cause for thermonuclear warfare.
Thank you for your insight and opinion.
 
wyoclimber said:
Yeah, I know a guy who received 36 stitches on his forearm doing exactly what you described. He miscalculated the swing of the limb and it brought his forearm into contact with the saw, which wasn't spooled down all the way because with only one hand holding the saw, he couldn't remove his finger all the way from the trigger. And before you say it couldn't happen to you because you're tougher/stronger than he was, I'll let you know that he caught and rode wild horses in competition. How many of you have caught I wild horse with a lariat, been dragged around an arena by it, then proceeded to wrestle it to the ground, saddle it and then ride it? I'll wager not many. I know it'd whoop my ass.
And the argument against 1 handing comes down to this, shortcuts inevitably lead to accidents. Some people get really damn lucky and they get by for a long time but it eventually catches up with most people. 1 handing is (in most cases) one of those shortcuts. That argument about production over safety is what every hack out there uses. Think of the accident in the UK with the old guys trimming off a ladder in the back of a pick up. That made it 40 years before that shit caught up with them, but I sure as hell wouldn't try it.
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That is really well written.. EXCELLENT perspective... And of course "some short cuts", a result of superior skill and experience, when done by those that have that skill and experience, are actually safer than standard approaches. I generally think this applies predominantly to cutting and rigging techniques. Very hard to judge, when someone has the game to safely produce the desired results with such techniques. And especially hard when you've never seen anything like it.
 
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MikePowers321 said:
A combination of inexperience with saws and lack of strength in your forearms could lead to some brutal consequences for new climbers and cutters though. I think its proper to train with 2 hands. I remember when I started cutting with the top handle, my forearms were on Fire to begin with.
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I've actually been more concerned by the stronger climbers who are so strong they just tend to one hand A LOT... I think their strength gives them a false sense of security when one handing
 
Pelorus said:
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BTW, you are a great moderator...just sayin.
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Bottom line is that an old dog can learn itself new tricks. Rather than getting into a pissin' match with you, (Mark), like TV did with Darin on AS, he chose instead to flatter you, which seems to have done the trick.

Terms of Service Agreement is apparently a buffet where you can disregard the salads you don't like....
"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content,..."[/QUOTE]

The truth of the matter is I did NOT flatter Mark as an objective to not get banned. I really think he is the best mod on any of about 6 tree forums with way over 10,000 posts I have had as involvement over 8 years. I have never seen him lose his temper or act on emotion like I do at times, but I have always had that personality. I was born with it. People are different.

I have however witnessed you challenging forum authority and many times instigate conflict on AS where you generally reside. You and I have NEVER liked each other. I find you petty and condescending with little to base that on. My issue with Darin/AS was when he arbitrarily reinstated MB (who was banned for life) and not particularly that but more so MB generally misbehaved himself by posting naked offensive picts. of himself and advertised for his forum. I told Darin that (to the point I said he was the kid having his lunch money stolen by the bulley) and was banned. I really can live with that and being banned here or any forum as I am gonna say what I feel. I am highly offended by being called a "hack". Call me a "fuckin idiot" or fkn anything else, but not a "hack". I am a highly evolved arborist (although I MAY act an idiot at times).

Anyhoo....if the bottom line ....things stay in the realm of "fair" and "truthful" on forums then isn't that really what we are all in this community to find? That and comradery and how do you have that without the other 2?
 
KevinS said:
Occupational Health and Safety Act: Only applies to employees on a job site, not everyone. If you are the employer the rules don't apply to you. As an employer you have the right to do as you please.

I'm sure this definition/ description is in circulation it's in all there literature.
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Of course, this is why one can go skydiving or play rodeo poker....or do whatever tf they want to if they are acting as their own agent....free will....
 
Pelorus said:
Tom, please don't play dumb here. You don't post on AS for a reason...
You and Mark own an old dog who has a long and storied history of crapping on carpets and occasionally biting other dogs, cats, turtles, et cetera. When this dog screws up, it looks up at you with those big sorrowful eyes, and you just want to dream that all is fine and good, and teach it to sing Kumbaya
Take your dog behind the barn and shoot it. Or at least get it neutered..
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Case in point....the way you refer to people...not just me...others on AS. WERE (not a threat just a hypothetical) I to encounter you in person and you referred to me like that...I would give you every opportunity to "shoot that ole dog" but things would not turn out well at all for you, I promise. YOU are one of the BIGGEST problems on AS, likely why you are over here now. Deloris.
 
Ok then, getting back on track. If this was already covered I missed it but in the original post he asked if they learned it from bark busters, is this a group, magazine, show, etc?
 
Treevet, as surely as the sun will set tonight and rise tomorrow, you will get yourself banned yet again. History repeats itself, and it is just a matter of time.
Two sides to a story (some say three; the third being "the truth"). Your account of your AS theatrics leading to Darin banning you is your sanitized version of events, making you appear the dewy-eyed innocent, lol. What transpired in the Commercial forum on Arboristsite in late July, 2014 was that after you failed to get Butch banned from AS, you launched into a profanity-laced tirade against Darin, who thereupon banished you from his realm.
I kinda remember "instigating conflict" with you on AS for your petty and degrading comments referring to Tom Dunlap after he banned you from TreeBuzz the last time.

Wishing you the best in your Arboricultural evolution,
Dave
 
]But you did post one of the trolliest things if there ever was such a thing, just saying....

yes I did , An issue that has never been settled or finished . It will never go away , and I hope it doesn't . Over 20 years on net and it is not going to stop . Lazy , dangerous , unskilled ....bs bs bs bs bs .
 
My boss, who started into tree work 20 years before i was born once taught me how to make the back cut with one hand while guiding the rigging rope into a crotch with the other. And I'm not aware of him ever cutting himself with a chainsaw, other than while sharpening.
 
My dad drove for 65 yrs and never had an accident. So why do we have to use seatbelts? This is not a matter of what Riggs or any one individual has managed to survive, it's about the whole industry. There are times that it is the only option to make a cut. But far too often it's not. James, his lifetime of treework doesn't amount to spit in the sea compared to the man-hours worked in a year by the whole of the industry.
 
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