30 plus years one handing a saw !

For joint pain I eat hemp leaves. Fer real. Best natural remedy so far, for me.
Levi, with you living in Colorado you could give it a try.
 
LeviRockett said:
I blew out my wrist pretty bad from one handing a lot. I definitely do not think it is "dangerous" unless you are foolish, but damn my wrist is killing me lately.
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I'll give this one for free.... Engineer a soulution ...we did this kinda thing all the time in manufacturing with tools and ergonomics. An ergonomic wrist/ lower arm brace attached to the saw handle permanantly. When holding saw it takes the strain off the wrist by gaining leverage off the arm and at the same time prevents the saw from being able to kick back like it can with one hand. Probably never be allowed, but if one addressed all the issues with one handing, why not? Could make it out of carbon fiber and could spring fold up on top of saw for climbing. If anyone makes these, can you just give me a few!


At the other end of engendering...
Current employee worked in New Zealand for three years on invasive vegetation management crews, described this mit they had to wear on their left hand that attached their hand to the saw to prevent one handing, they never climbed.
 
LeviRockett said:
I blew out my wrist pretty bad from one handing a lot. I definitely do not think it is "dangerous" unless you are foolish, but damn my wrist is killing me lately.
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I had to stop one handing for the same reason, actually it was elbows.. Both got sore and had pockets of fluid... It got so the I COULDN'T hold a saw one handed, even a 192.. That was right after I got my old bucket truck, and I reasoned, for it to be in both elbows it must have been from one handing big pieces...

I HAD to develop techniques to get around one handing while the elbows healed... getting a little creative with cuts and rigging was fun. Lots of snap cuts and rip cuts.. Every bucket would do well to carry a quick little lanyard/sling, hold a piece back past the cut, put the saw away, quick detach sling and throw with two hands..
Even after the elbows healed, I never went back to handling those big pieces, so its often faster and easier to keep both hands on the saw with a little finesse. And sometimes its cut and chuck.. just keeping the pieces light..
 
out of high school a tree service i worked for actually trained how to cut and pitch one handed as general practice

running my own service after that , i use slings along with the rigging and can take more pieces while keeping both hands on the saw

this is way safer , and can be more efficient than one hand pitching
 
Instead of a good v. evil type of argument the discussion needs to be about what does it take to train someone to be able to determine the best method of cutting to use in a given circumstance. The right tool and the right positioning. Handsaw, chainsaw, polesaw, power pruner, pole pruner, etc... all of them can and are misused.

As for one person's 30 yr experience? That equates to about 60,000 man-hrs. Given the number of people employed in our industry, the number of man-hrs worked in a year equals rough 78,000,000. So, you can see how irrelevant one man's life experience is in the grand scheme of things. Rules and Regs are made to govern all based on the statistics.
 
but....as said earlier...they HAVE to be geared to what the lowest level fuck up will get him/herself into from lack of experience, lack of knowledge or just plain stupidity and haven't found they do not belong in this job yet. THAT is where the majority of accidents originate.

Forgot to add...that some are just not genetically capable of this all day long and even if they are/were, they are just not willing to pay the price to attain and/or retain the strength (work out son) to keep doing it when repetitive use injuries threaten to rear their heads during times of heavy work loads.
 
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treevet said:
Forgot to add...that some are just not genetically capable of this all day long and even if they are/were, they are just not willing to pay the price to attain and/or retain the strength (work out son) to keep doing it when repetitive use injuries threaten to rear their heads during times of heavy work loads.
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That's it... You floppy limp wrist folk, it's not your fault... Just don't one hand a saw, it's not for you. For those who are genetically superior and train in the art of wack handling...carry on.
 
familytreeman said:
out of high school a tree service i worked for actually trained how to cut and pitch one handed as general practice

running my own service after that , i use slings along with the rigging and can take more pieces while keeping both hands on the saw

this is way safer , and can be more efficient than one hand pitching
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you are right on...
When you pay some one to one hand...sling it.

I estimate based on the thickness of my own wrist versus the wood I'm gripping.acrobat style...

On the other hand I have over estimated the sling branch weight ratio more so with slings...fingers on the slings, not round the hands/wrists!
 
treevet said:
but....as said earlier...they HAVE to be geared to what the lowest level fuck up will get him/herself into from lack of experience, lack of knowledge or just plain stupidity and haven't found they do not belong in this job yet. THAT is where the majority of accidents originate.

Forgot to add...that some are just not genetically capable of this all day long and even if they are/were, they are just not willing to pay the price to attain and/or retain the strength (work out son) to keep doing it when repetitive use injuries threaten to rear their heads during times of heavy work loads.
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And if that's who is put out there to do the work then we'll continue to regulate in this way. Training is much more than showing someone how to do something a few times then let them loose to gain "experience". It's a process of introducing the trainee to each level as they are prepared and assessing their grasp of that knowledge and the skills to perform the job. Let's call it an apprenticeship. Within that assessment is judging the trainee's ability to identify the tasks at hand and determine the best approach to it. Which technique out of the ones they've demonstrated to apply, in other words, their problem solving skills.
 
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treehumper said:
And if that's who is put out there to do the work then we'll continue to regulate in this way. Training is much more than showing someone how to do something a few times then let them loose to gain "experience". It's a process of introducing the trainee to each level as they are prepared and assessing their grasp of that knowledge and the skills to perform the job. Let's call it an apprenticeship. Within that assessment is judging the trainee's ability to identify the tasks at hand and determine the best approach to it. Which technique out of the ones they've demonstrated to apply, in other words, their problem solving skills.
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so wish things rolled that way..apprenticeship.
 
treehumper said:
And if that's who is put out there to do the work then we'll continue to regulate in this way. Training is much more than showing someone how to do something a few times then let them loose to gain "experience". It's a process of introducing the trainee to each level as they are prepared and assessing their grasp of that knowledge and the skills to perform the job. Let's call it an apprenticeship. Within that assessment is judging the trainee's ability to identify the tasks at hand and determine the best approach to it. Which technique out of the ones they've demonstrated to apply, in other words, their problem solving skills.
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True and plus 1 on the apprenticeship but reduced to the lowest common denominator.....the ONLY ones that can indulge in the one handing (not Pud Frashdog :-) money makin, production shakin...technique....are COMPANY OWNERS. If the company owner allows the employee to do this all hell is to pay and maybe even a biz is lost. Should a Co. owner one hand and chop his knob off....well OSHA or the Courts or whoever ain't gonna give the guy nutin.
 
treevet said:
True and plus 1 on the apprenticeship but reduced to the lowest common denominator.....the ONLY ones that can indulge in the one handing (not Pud Frashdog :) money makin, production shakin...technique....are COMPANY OWNERS. If the company owner allows the employee to do this all hell is to pay and maybe even a biz is lost. Should a Co. owner one hand and chop his knob off....well OSHA or the Courts or whoever ain't gonna give the guy nutin.
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You freekan nailed it! That's why we are where we are Yo! Half half handle all you want Sally's, you'll never catch all us...Apprentice what what!?
 
'I never tell a rookie to 1 hand'
'I 1 hand because I'm a seasoned pro, but the green rookies should always use 2 hand and use proper positioning'
'Do as I say not as I do, cause your new '

So if the green rookies that don't know there ass from there elbow can be held to these standards and get the job done why can't the pros wit well over 10, 000 saw hrs? Your good enough to shave with your saw but not good enough to 2 hand it?

Do you see where this is a bit confusing?
 
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