X-rigging rings

sweet photos! I'm reminded of a youtube video done by Jerry Beranek of an informal test of the GRCS and HOBS, where at the end they drop test with a volvo... I second that I can't wait for the video. I'll check back in the am to see if it's ready before work. Don't worry I'm on PST so if you pull an all nighter on it you have an extra few hours to get it posted before I wipe the sleep outta my eyes.
 
Xman, welcome to CA!
The biXman and I deal with some big trees out here in nor cal.

Next check and Im ordering some XRR's....nice work on those Eucs, its different wood thats for sure...

nice pics Bix
 
Xman,welcome to the world of the euc!

Might I say,that is a cracking example of the species...its a big one!

At the end of the day its just another tree and should be treated as such.

One or two things you might consider, is the foliage is deceptivley heavy,especially when in seed or in a high rainfall area. Cut and chuck at your own perill!

Also the limbs can be slippery to rig and if you dont have a fork or bumps to work with, you double (or triple)wrap the rope around the part of tree your rigging and terminate with a sliding bowline,and really hand tension against the bight. It aint comming undone,and if you are still concerned, get the groundies to crank up the drum a bit to realy tension it some, but be aware and expect the branch or log tension popping.

The holding wood of eucs is one you can really trust.A proper scarf/notch is essential. 15 years climbing eucs,never had a barber chair, but you got to know when to cut quick!

When you go for a long limb walk check the collar first,look for a nice natural looking collar. If not natural looking, it could be prone to branch drop,but not always.

Got to say it again, that is a big euc!

It's crazy how introduced species grow f'n huge in other countries!!
 
Well done X on popping your Euc cherry!
And what an example to lose your Euc virginity on! hahaha

Looks like it was a great experience and look forward to the vid.
I appreciate the time it takes to edit one!

And i second everything Chopper said above.

It goes a whole other level too. There are several hundred species of Eucalyptus, with massive variance in characteristics, weights, form, structure and release/hinge behaviour when cutting.

And yeah, impressed to see such big Eucs on foreign soil! They must be happy there.

Ps. I don't see them as a nuisance species, just misunderstood by many.
 
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at the end of the day, the tree isn't finished, but it was getting dark and I was ordered to stop. The next day was Redwood climbing fun time.

Nice picture BiXman.

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This picture made my morning! Awesome David and thanks for the rigging rings cant wait to try one out!
 
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1. The wood is extremely heavy.
2. They can be under a lot of tension and barber chair.
3. They don’t follow hinge wood well and often pop.
4. They are prone to limb drop.
5. Spikes often slip on them.
6. They are so slippery, the rope can slip off.

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A little curious about 2,3 and 5

Never had one even resemble a barber chair,

Always remember them being absolutely one of the better hardwoods for hinging,

Easiest, most reliable tree ever for spurring.

With that said, it was a long time ago!

Great pics, well done
 
That list was not my opinion of the trees and I don't agree with some of those statements as well.

I was told those things by multiple people before I ever climbed it.

Here would be my list:

1. Wood extremely heavy, reminded me of wet concrete weight (a little exageration).
2. Does not barber chair at all. The fibers are not organized for barber chairing.
3. Holding wood can pop in a hurry once it wants to go and may not follow your intended direction if your cuts were not perfect.
4. Spikes stick great. I used pole gaffs.
5. Really really strong, but the leaders are so long and thin, you can get a LOT of movement. Smart placement of several XRR slings or blocks can really cut back on leader sway and possible impact from the main rigging leader bending so far as to strike you.
6. On angled limbs or horizontals, the back side wood is so strong that you can cut your notch about half way through the limbs and not have the kerf close up on the chainsaw bar. (this is what the Euc pro was often doing, I couldn't believe his saw wasn't being pinched).
7. Due to the exagerated weights and slippery property, you should cut VERY deep upward pie shaped grooves in the logs for the marl and the choked running bowline in order to keep them from slipping off.
8. By the end of the day, you think the smell stinks.
9. The seeds are plentiful and extremely heavy.
10. Limbs are longer than you think. You notch and make a cut, then when it comes off you say, Jeeze that was bigger than I thought.

Glad you asked the question so I could clarify things.
 
Love that picture of you at sunset David.

Here’s another one of my favorite Euc pics. This is Graeme McMahon from Sherbrooke Tree in Australia and I bet for sure he could have used a whole lot of XRR slings on this dead beast. Take a look at how his climb line is running through the load binder straps.

This is a perfect situation where using the XRR slings while rigging down a dangerous spar makes perfect sense to me (contrary to what I have been hearing some people say).
 

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Congrats on making it to Treestuff. They look really good. Has there been any bending or warping with heavy loads? Especially like the idea of moving the rigging down a spar quickly and these would do the trick.
 
Ok, so when using the fishing pole up the stem...


Lets assume you have a straight stem up to 50' and then a branch coming off at a right angle. I understand placing a re-direct at that branch union so the rigging line forms a right angle (Think T as opposed to Y) but I dont understand placing more than one redirect, be it Xring or a block, in a straight line...

Can someone explain the benefit of it to me?
 
thank you Nick for asking.

wow, good for you.

I will try to whip up some diagrams, as they are better than words.
 
Ricky,

NO. That does not mean NO.

Just so much going on and I got excited about Nick's question because it made me remember that not everyone thinks like I do when it comes to rigging. We all have our strong points and sometimes it's hard to look at things from the outside. It made me realise why treehouse guys thought it was so stupid.


Sorry, I should have answered both of you at once.

both GREAT questions!

Lots of ways to adjust length so the ring is as tight to the stem or the limb as you want it.

Also for easy use, we are now offering and adjustable sling as well, sometimes referred to as a whoopie.

but to answer your question, my video that I'm working day and night to finish will show the various ways to adjust the slings.
 
I hope this explains Nick's question (and probably thousands of people) about straight spars and fishing pole technique.

I hope it comes out clear....
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If the fishing pole did not give strength to the stick, they would only be selling fishing poles with a reel and only one eye at the tip.

Fishing with just a reel and only one eye at the tip of the rod would be a stupid thing to do.

Get where I'm going?
 

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cool, thought that I was getting the cold shoulder. When using the X slings like a whoopie, the rope would have to pass through the X ring and a block is not a option? Could you please explain how the X rings could be a benefit rather than using a block and whoopie? Thanks and no hurry for the response. I realize you must be very busy. Congrats
 
If you wanted to go a step further, leave a big limb on the backside and do this to increase more positive force to oppose the dropped log or limb.

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cool, thought that I was getting the cold shoulder. When using the X slings like a whoopie, the rope would have to pass through the X ring and a block is not a option? Could you please explain how the X rings could be a benefit rather than using a block and whoopie? Thanks and no hurry for the response. I realize you must be very busy. Congrats

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I think I see what you are asking.

When using a whoopie, you are either going to choke the X-Rigging Ring or choke the block.

(Actually, if the whoopie had an X-rigging ring, you could also add a block to the whoopie and double the sling strength. But lets go with the above use.)


A block is going to be nicer on the rigging rope in extreme weights and really fast runs.

A block is going to be easier to lift things and tip tie things.

A block is going to be less friction.

A block might be stronger, but actually I don't know, we have never had a fiber strong enough to break a ring in the break testing machine.

The ring is cheaper.

The ring adds a little friction so that all the force is not concentrated on the lowering device.

The ring can take more impact abuse than a block.

The ring is cheaper.

The ring is light and you don't mind leaving it on your saddle.

Blocks are wonderful and I will always use them.

I try to rig smart. Rigging smart with only blocks to use, takes a lot of time, a lot of money in blocks and they are heavy suckers.

Now I can rig smart. But cheaper and lighter.
 
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