WTF Weaver?!?!

I would say the best way to start would be for the people that had the failures file a complaint not only over the phone but certified mail as well. So far I have only heard anything through the grapevine and not directly from anyone that has had a bridge fail. Has anyone had a chance to physically inspect one of these bridges after the fact? I know if this happened to me, I would be blowing a lot a smoke up weavers butt to make sure something was done about it.
 
It looks like Weaver has issued a warning for regular inspections and replacement of their bridge. It would of been nice for them to man-up and recall but "this is business". Unfortunatly honesty and best intentions have been trumped by covering your azz so some greedy lowlife lawyer doesn't sue you out of business. I just saw this link on the Wesspur facebook page btw.

http://www.weaverarborist.com/rope-bridge-safety.php
 
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Unfortunatly honesty and best intentions have been trumped by covering your azz so some greedy lowlife lawyer doesn't sue you out of business.

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I think the lawyers look like knights in shining armor compared to these callous, calculating scumbags. I'm disgusted.

I'll second that weaver should stick to making horse saddles and leave manufacturing climbing equipment to people who take it seriously.
 
1.So according to weaver I'm supposed to replace my bridge every six months. How long do you guys use a bridge for?
2.All of us who have a cougar should write them an email asking for a replacement that is not even the same style as the ones that have failed. That seems like a much cheaper fix than a lawsuit. And a reasonable expectation as a consumer. We could even pool ideas for points to make.
 
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There statement is all about "inspect" & replace in 6 months. But the part that has repeatedly failed is hidden behind a cover.....wtf!

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I was thinking the same thing. WTF???
 
I don't know for sure but it appears this thread prompted the response from Weaver. I'm impressed by that. We can work with them or against them. I also don't know their motivation but if they're a saddle maker I'd guess they have some cowboy code of honor and are as American as American can be. I didn't do any research maybe they have outsourced to China, you almost have to to compete in today's market, but they look American made, you know, buy local think global.

Or they could of been bought out by some hostile takeover and only appear to be what they are. Anyway hope no one else gets hurt or worse before this bridge failure issue gets firgured out.
 
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There statement is all about "inspect" & replace in 6 months. But the part that has repeatedly failed is hidden behind a cover.....wtf!

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I was thinking the same thing. WTF???

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They obviously aren't listening. The people that have fell need to step up and do something. Shoot, they could probably find a lawyer to do some work for free, or at least call to scare weaver. Even a certified letter from a lawyer may be enough to light a fire under weavers . Weaver clearly doesn't care.
 
I think the recent spate of failures was on really old ones. Not part of the recall but really old. The inspection thing is certainly questionable because its the core but whats more curious to me is that they say inspect AND replace at six months. I don't see the point. Clearly they need to redo the bridge design and material choice.
 
Do not climb on an 8mm Beeline bridge. Gord hit the problem. It's material used in the core, it doesn't do well under constant, tight radius bending.
It WILL fail if you use it regularly and with the cover on it, you won't necessarily be able to tell when it starts to separate.
 
I quite admittedly am biased about floating bridge saddles in that I bought one when they first came out, and hated them right away because they didn't give me that stable triangulated feel I value so highly as a removal specialist blocking down trees.

My first truly professional saddle was a traditional four D-ring euc-man by Sierra Moreno Merc, and it lasted me over 15 years with only minor modifications and repairs to its tool attachment rings and clips. No repairs were necessary to its primary lifeline attachment points whatsoever. I still have that same saddle in my tooltruck for use as a backup saddle that I still trust with my life despite its rather frayed and worn appearance.

What I'm driving at here is the question of whether a floating bridge saddle's benefits outweighs the risk of injury or death to a climber if that lifeline attachment point has to be maintained and replaced so often?

I feel much the same way about using biners for lifeline attachment purposes. I simply don't do it. Call me a stupid stubborn oldschool dinosaur, but hey I'm still alive and climbing!

jomoco
 
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I quite admittedly am biased about floating bridge saddles in that I bought one when they first came out, and hated them right away because they didn't give me that stable triangulated feel I value so highly as a removal specialist blocking down trees.

My first truly professional saddle was a traditional four D-ring euc-man by Sierra Moreno Merc, and it lasted me over 15 years with only minor modifications and repairs to its tool attachment rings and clips. No repairs were necessary to its primary lifeline attachment points whatsoever. I still have that same saddle in my tooltruck for use as a backup saddle that I still trust with my life despite its rather frayed and worn appearance.

What I'm driving at here is the question of whether a floating bridge saddle's benefits outweighs the risk of injury or death to a climber if that lifeline attachment point has to be maintained and replaced so often?

I feel much the same way about using biners for lifeline attachment purposes. I simply don't do it. Call me a stupid stubborn oldschool dinosaur, but hey I'm still alive and climbing!

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+1 ... I'm with jomoco, as another; "stupid stubborn old school dinosaur" &amp; still flying a 4D from Don (Sierra Moreno) Blair ... bridges have advantages BUT <u>always</u> seemed like an extra, weak link in the lifeline 'chain'.
Maybe 'Stupid' but KISS
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I'm still alive and climbing...just got done with some prune/remove work at an old friends place while I'm 'on vacation'. That said...I like floating bridges. Mine is made from 7/16 semi-static and I change it often. It is an adjustable bridge so the wear and load isn't at a single point though.

Go back up and read Ryan's post:

#311567 - 02/15/12
 
Has anyone at ISA proposed a sit down with Weaver to discuss the concerns of professional arborists? I mean this is an industry wide issue that would align perfectly with the industry associations mandate would it not?
 
I sent an e-mail to Weaver from Boreality's link above and the response back was they have not been made aware of any recent bridge failures. We need to light them up with pictures, dates and doctor bills.

Treehumper, I'm not sure ISA is the best one to pursue this with them or if TCIA would be better, even though ISA is secretariat of the Z-133.
 
I've used the floating D ultra-light by Sierra Moreno for years with no problems. Its a little heavier construction using nylon webbing instead of a rope bridge. As saddles have evolved in the past 20 years, it seems climbers think "lighter" is better. Given the use and abuse we put our equipment through, I'll take the extra weight. By todays saddles, its considered old school but Don Blair has designed a bullet proof saddle.
 
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I sent an e-mail to Weaver from Boreality's link above and the response back was they have not been made aware of any recent bridge failures. We need to light them up with pictures, dates and doctor bills.

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I might call their response less than truthful.
 
TCIA would likely be a better avenue to pursue than ISA. Even if someone were to contact TCIA I wonder if we, as the profession, should expect TCIA to do the work. I can see reasons to and not to.
 
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I sent an e-mail to Weaver from Boreality's link above and the response back was they have not been made aware of any recent bridge failures. We need to light them up with pictures, dates and doctor bills.

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I might call their response less than truthful.


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Tell me about it. How many posts in the few threads about this issue have people said that Weaver said the same thing? How many people need to call/e mail before they consider themselves aware of the failures?
 
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