Worker pulled into wood chipper

Yes BB, I think I can, and it's a very interesting point to highlight about poor engineering design in panic situations from in the feed hopper.

The poor guy was frantic instinctively pulling the reverse bar to get out, rather than being rational enough to realize he needed to push it to save himself.

And from an engineering perspective swapping hydraulic hose connections would solve the problem. But an existing chipper standard can't be changed to aid panicked and trapped chipper operators acting instinctively now can we BB.

Bump bars yes, panic bars to instinctively pull no.

jomoco
 
Vermeers bars on ALL chippers stop feed rollers whether pulled or pushed.


You say there have been 11 deaths according NIOSH/FACE. 7 out of your 11 deaths in this country have been operator error as I have just proven.


I am dumbfounded that a person with so much raw hatred towards american chipper manufacturers is allowed to be an "expert" witness in a court of law!
 
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The poor guy was frantic instinctively pulling the reverse bar to get out, rather than being rational enough to realize he needed to push it to save himself.


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Where did you buy your crystal ball?

the document i posted had NO, ZERO, NONE, NADA, NO ONE, as a witness to the gruesome death of this man......except you!
 
Not that we are keeping track, but you may have neglected, or outright dodged, a few questions back there too!

If you wouldnt mind answering them a we have answered all of your questions/comments.
 
Working with them for 18 years?

You've just proven? The guy in sec. 2.3 died alone!

Those crystal balls of your's a dime a dozen BB?

jomoco
 
You serious!?

YOU stated he was frantically pulling on a bar. that wasnt in the report! Where did that information come from? Do you have a seoperate report that is top secret, that you were given as an expert witness in this case?

OSHA has proven that you are wrong! the 7 men died because of grossly breaking manufacturers rules. Feeding brush in with their feet, standing in the hopper, leaning in the hopper pushing items in with their hands etc etc. You said earlier that these men werent breaking the rules, simply trying to make a living and that they were doing things correctly. OSHA says differently.

I am amazed that an expert witness like yourself didnt know these 7 out of 11 deaths were ruled this way by OSHA.
 
I gather you don't support two man minimums to operate WTC's?

We'll do this one at a time, answer my question and I'll answer yours.

BTW my opinion on the 2.3 guy matched the safety investigation teams listed third most likely cause of the accident, so read your own article again friend.

jomoco
 
We reading the same 2.3?


"If a small limb hooks a worker from behind the back, it is highly unlikely that it could drag a person of adult size and weight onto the feed table and into the in-feed rollers"


Homework time Jomoco, you have lots of unanswered questions my friend.

It is getting boring having a one sided conversation due to the fact that you dodge questions like a pro!
 
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I gather you don't support two man minimums to operate WTC's?

jomoco

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Remeber the slanderous comments we spoke of earlier? Please, PLEASE, dont put words in my mouth or try to damage my character. This isnt personal, at least not from my view point!
 
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Vermeers bars on ALL chippers stop feed rollers whether pulled or pushed.


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Well that's not true BB and you know it so why say it?

You want to embarrass yourself somethin fierce in this thread of late, I'll hand yu that.

jomoco
 
Really!? Show me one new chipper that doesnt have this feature! Even the new 2100 has it. Do we need a photo of the safety sticker to go along with it?

We arent talking older chippers, newer, SAFER ones is all we are discussing, thats the whole piont of this thread, safety right Jomoco, its not personal is it, bud? All for the betterment of man, correct?
 
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Vermeers bars on ALL chippers stop feed rollers whether pulled or pushed.


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Well that's not true BB and you know it so why say it?


jomoco

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OK only you can spout off with meaningless comments about untrue (and UNPROVEN) technological advances, right?


Like i told you show me the R&D Mathers did or YOU did, TRUE field testing over a years time or more, and ill march to the damn senate floor with you!
 
Here's mister I believe in safety unable to take a position on enhanced chipper safety recommendation policies from NIOSH/FACE, literally perjuring himself online stating falsehoods about whole tree chipper reverse bar functioning positions?

This gets more revealing about you every post BB.

jomoco
 
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Here's mister I believe in safety unable to take a position on enhanced chipper safety recommendation policies from NIOSH/FACE, literally perjuring himself online stating falsehoods about whole tree chipper reverse bar functioning positions?

This gets more revealing about you every post BB.

jomoco

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Prove me wrong Jomoco!

Show me one Vermmer chipper offered NEW that doesnt have this feature and I owe you a dinner and a beer @ the next event we attand together! i mean it I will eat crow on this one, prove me wrong.

BUIT FIRST STOP DODGING QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!

game over until you answer the questions at hand and stop personally attcking me, OK!?
 
The pertinent question any WTC operator and their friends and families should be asking themselves is why these manufacturers can still get away with telling NIOSH/FACE OSHA or any other safety experts to go pound sand while the death toll of real treeworkers operating their machines escalates?


Just follow instructions and it won't happen is a lame defense in my opinion.

jomoco
 
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