Worker pulled into wood chipper

It's like the manufacturer saying, we choose not to provide redundancy safety systems to reduce incapacitated operator deaths, nor do we recommend two man minimum policies to reduce them, nor do we feel compelled to provide even a simple pull-chain panic failsafe handle any longer inside the infeed hoppers, these treeworkers just need to follow instructions better or they're on their own?

No wonder the death toll is escalating with that lame prevention philosophy in effect.

jomoco
 
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if it were up to me......

you slander/lible people, you lie to try and scare your opponent, you lie, you have an extreme hatred and bias against American Chipper Manufactures, you lie, your inability to answer direct questions

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Just breathe deep and accept the truth BB.

Your embarrassment in this thread is unfortunate, but very constructive in reaching a true understanding of this life and death issue for WTC operators in our industry.

I really do appreciate your help on this important issue BB, thanks.

jomoco
 
why in the world would any manufacturer put an UNPROVEN safety system on their machines!? that's idiotic!


my embarrassment? MY EMBARRASSMENT!¿ you serious? you have lied this entire thread, and dodged almost every direct question asked of you!



please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Lible?
 
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why in the world would any manufacturer put an UNPROVEN safety system on their machines!? that's idiotic!


my embarrassment? MY EMBARRASSMENT!¿ you serious? you have lied this entire thread, and dodged almost every direct question asked of you!



please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?


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The point is that Mr. Morey's was, to the point it was sold on models of his chippers as emergency safety equipment.

Why is that simple lifesaving device no longer on his or any other chippers as standard equipment for WTC's BB?

That's the telling question that badly needs to be answered here in this thread on that subject.

jomoco
 
no what needs to be answered is why you're a liar, and how in the world your an "expert" witness!?

maybe his system was awful like yours and decided to pull it much like you did.




please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Lible?
 
Great scott!

It just all clicked into place BB!

You must be a bucket boy who knows little or nothing about feeding WTC's yourself!

What an idiot I've been!

Yu see BB, in the real world of WTC operation two operators muscle the butts of big branches onto the feed table and muscle them in till the feedwheels catch the branch, then both run towards the reverse bar, get in front of it and push hard to keep that bar from disengaging as it's driven towards them through contact with the laterals off the branch being fed.

It happens every day on takedown crews in every state.

It can take the strength of two men to feed knarly branches through a WTC without fouling stop and go reverse bar wasting of valuable time on the job.

How many hours have you spent feeding a WTC BB my friend?

jomoco
 
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you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?

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I would love to see the answer to this question too Bull. I've been following this whole thread and I haven't seen an answer to it yet.
 
Just ask yourself whether any WTC model of morbark or vermeer are for sale that can be hand fed, also come equipped with a loader arm and cab/screen? 2400's or 1800's for example? I think you'll find the answer is yes for both companies and others.

jomoco
 
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Mr. Morey is a gentleman who filed for a patent on an inside the feed hopper panic handle that a trapped treeworker about to be eaten alive could pull to avoid meeting his maker.

I wonder why Mr. Morey filed such a patent?

One might conclude Mr. Morey is well aware of a treeworkers's need for such a failsafe, indeed to the degree that he filed a patent for it to commercialize in this industry.

Did you really do that Mr. Morey?

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I've seen these systems on chippers for years, infact bandit still produces chippers with them.

Here's a pic, notice the orange wands inside the chute.
 

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Just ask yourself whether any WTC model of morbark or vermeer are for sale that can be hand fed, also come equipped with a loader arm and cab/screen? 2400's or 1800's for example? I think you'll find the answer is yes for both companies and others.

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LIE once again! Show me an 1800 with a cab, let alone a grapple! youre a joker.
 
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Great scott!

It just all clicked into place BB!

You must be a bucket boy who knows little or nothing about feeding WTC's yourself!

What an idiot I've been!

Yu see BB, in the real world of WTC operation two operators muscle the butts of big branches onto the feed table and muscle them in till the feedwheels catch the branch, then both run towards the reverse bar, get in front of it and push hard to keep that bar from disengaging as it's driven towards them through contact with the laterals off the branch being fed.

It happens every day on takedown crews in every state.

It can take the strength of two men to feed knarly branches through a WTC without fouling stop and go reverse bar wasting of valuable time on the job.

How many hours have you spent feeding a WTC BB my friend?

jomoco

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Sorry Jo I wont take the bait. We dont have bucket babies here, any member who knows me or the co. I work for can attest, even the owner is out EVERYDAY running a crane, bucket, skidsteer, dragging brush etc etc etc! laziness and unsafe woirk practices arent even entertained!
 
please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
Here's another one, this one in a 19" capacity drum style.

I've always thought they would work well until some guy either jammed them into the feed wheels or cut them off because they keep catching on brush thus reversing the brush out of the feed wheels.
 

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And on vermeers no struggling with the bar, we hit the magic green override button and the wheels feed in, no matter whats pushing on the bar!

vermeer has the safest chippers in the world, no need for extra UNPROVEN gadgets.
 
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Here's another one, this one in a 19" capacity drum style.

I've always thought they would work well until some guy either jammed them into the feed wheels or cut them off because they keep catching on brush thus reversing the brush out of the feed wheels.

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jomoco is talking about handles inside the hopper, that were strung via double whip tackle to a hydro valve. these handles would break, the valves were too hard to open, even when the chipper was off and you were laying in the hopper pulling hard. the inventor must have ran out of money/time?
 
Oh my, you mean they were too much of a hassle to maintain in good working order? On such a simple mechanism?

Tell us more BB, you safety promoter you.

jomoco
 
I am one of the biggest safety promoters you will meet. I will NOT promote UNPROVEN JUNK!

if it is sufficiently field tested and PROVEN I will jump all over it.





please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
That's not very pro-safety of you to denigrate Mr. Morey's proven, patented and marketed failsafe system sold on some bandit WTC's as junk BB.

I wonder if any man through the chipper fatalities have occured with bandit models that use it?

On one hand you claim to be pro chipper safety right down the line, while on the other eschewing two man minimum policies and failsafe panic controls as unnecessary or even junk?

Explain that kinda contradictory hand jive BB.

jomoco
 
Failsafe is awfully drastic, LEGAl term that only dirty liars errr lawyers will use. Prove this system was a failsafe!

Why did Bandit get rid if this system? Ever sat in the hopper and tried to pull that handle and open the valve? Strongmen would have a hard time!

I dont see ANY policies on two man chipper operation, ANYWHERE! there you go lieing again!

Your the biggest liar I know!

NIOSH/FACE make RECOMMENDATIONS!!!!! Not POLICIES or LAWS!


please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
Stop lieing Jomoco, and answer the simple direct questions asked of you by myself and many other members here. Its not that hard, here ill type slowly for you!


please answer the questions Jomoco!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?

you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
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