Worker pulled into wood chipper

There is no failsafe for stupid. Smart workers don't get chipped up. Smart people feed the chipper from the side and stay back away from whipping branches. Once the brush is chipped you go and get more. If you can't handle something that easy then you get chipped, or fired before you get chipped.
 
I guess all these dumb treeworkers gettin chipped aren't the manufacturers or ISA&TCIA's problem?

We can just use WTC's as an effective means of filtering dumb treeworkers out of the smart treeworker population?

Is OSHA on board with this barbaric 21st century chipper safety program?

jomoco
 
Its better to be proactive and use the device in the safest possible manner. Even the best workers can trip on a limb and gun their chainsaw but don't get cut bacause they use the chainbrake.Smart people set the example not be the example. If you choose to take your chances with fate then be prepared for the concequences of your actions.
 
You don't know of any top pro treeworkers who've cut themselves with a chainsaw, or that need safety brakes on their saws as an industry standard?

Chain brakes are for treeworkers that make mistakes, and mandated as an industry standard currently, so how is an inhopper failsafe device on a chipper any different or less called for considering the escalating number of chipper fatalities in the tree industry?

jomoco
 
I'm just saying that no matter how "safe" you make something there will always be someone out there to figure out how to hurt themselves irreguarless. I have yet to see something be perfectly safe. I wear chansaw pants while climbing, it dosent mean I plan on cutting myself. You have to look at the big picture we trian people the right way to run machines and they still can get it right. So give them something extra to learn how to do in case of an emergency and see if they can get that right to. Some people naturally pick things up faster them others, others will never be able to pick it up. Thats why our country is in debt over a trillion dollars and this country has been around longer then chippers. It is what it is.
 
People that manufacture things that are lethal, like chippers, chainsaws or guns have an obligation to make them with safety features such as inhopper failsafes, chain brakes, or a trigger safety on a gun, and without them as standard equipment on every unit sold they should be illegal to sell.

There's no difference between the three lethal tools in terms of needing a standard minimum of safety features, because of their inherent lethality.

jomoco
 
They also need to make a safety feature that will stop the chipper from ramping up and shooting chips in the box while someone is in there peeing. I wan't to see a sticker for that too.
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Treeworkers haven't died that way that I know of, and I've heard nothing about an escalating death toll because of it Tman.

Have you?

jomoco
 
a pencil is a lethal tool if you use it wrong, proper training is the issue here...

while i do agree that anything that makes our day to day safer is a good thing, i feel you have crossed a line jomoco.

i was reading the dead wood thread in general disscussion and found a relevant thought in (the) bob's post. in it he referred to a 'snap to grid' defense mechanism that we all use on a day to day basis to analyze our immediate environs, and determine our responses to external stimuli. for example, if im driving and i see a red light 'snap to grid' uses my memory of what to do at a red light to influence my decision to stop my vehicle at said light.

i believe jomoco, that your 'snap to grid' is denying you the crux of what bb is trying to say. he is all for new and improved failsafes for the tools we use daily (if i may bb), but he desires those failsafes to be tested and proven by current safety testing standards.

once those failsafes have been installed, it is up to the user, not the manufacturer to ensure the manufactured product is used in a safe manner...

by the way, your logic failed long ago, and your argument has degraded into rhetoric and mudslinging. you champion a good cause, but i think that bb and tmw do as well. clean up yo act!
 
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he is all for new and improved failsafes for the tools we use daily (if i may bb), but he desires those failsafes to be tested and proven by current safety testing standards.



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What both you and BB can't quite seem to grasp is the fact that Morey's inhopper failsafe device was tested and proven by current safety standards, it works, it saves lives as it was designed to.

Granted it can do nothing for an incapacitated treeworker, but it can save a trapped treeworker who still has the abilty to pull it.

How is it then that any reputable and responsible chipper manufacturer or tree industry safety association can get away with denying this last chance failsafe device to trapped treeworkers as standard safety equipment?

How many WTO operators have died operating chippers with this failsafe device versus those operating WTO's without one?

None of the cases I am very familiar with had these devices, none of them.

You guys can't support two man minimum policies to save your fellow treeworkers it seems, nor can you muster the courage to support inhopper failsafe devices to save their lives either.

One might gather your enthusiasm for supporting failsafes, be they mechanical or human, to save the lives of fellow treeworkers if they become trapped/incapacitated while performing their jobs is alarmingly absent?

Sorry joe, hate tu see yu go, but yu shoulda been more careful, and not made any mistakes like me chum, so later dude?

What? You think you deserve a 200 dollar failsafe handle joe?

Sorry joe, no can do for you?

You guys are cold man, stone age neanderthals of the first order.

jomoco
 
Vermeers safety features are far superior to ANYTHING, including Moreys design!, on the market today. you would need a second human present in order to be chipped, or be IN the infeed area feet first.....even then I don't think it would happen.


failsafes never fail, right? what happens to Moreys cable when they get old and beatup? what happens when the bar stops working so smoothly? doesn't seem like a failsafe to me, seems more like a safety device.


chain brakes are there on a saw to use if THE OPERATOR WANTS TO. the inertia brake however is there as a safety device you have no choice using.

would you really like to compare deathrates and injuries before chainbrakes to after!? Makes your chipper deathrate look like a bee sting.

I do agree that we need something more, something better. I don't think any of the 3 inventtions here are it. Vermeer has already surpassed Morey in terms of safety and reliability. still not a failsafe though.





We need answers to the following questions Jomoco. you description of a whole tree chipper seems a lil off.


can you name a proven and tested system that would help an incapacitated worker out JoJo? We have already determined yours and Mathers don't qualify!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?


you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
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failsafes never fail, right? what happens to Moreys cable when they get old and beatup? what happens when the bar stops working so smoothly? doesn't seem like a failsafe to me, seems more like a safety device.



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I'm growing a bit fed up with your moronic advocacy for shooting down even the simplest of safety devices to keep your fellow treeworkers from a grisly death BB.

If the dang handles and cables get worn like a friggin chipper blade or bolt, you replace them!

It's called equipment maintenance BB, ever hear of it pal?

jomoco
 
I have! did you read any of the death reports? over 75% of the deaths involved chippers in disrepair!!! if they won't invest money in training their guys you think they will be keeping their chippers in tip top shape? day laborers going to keep the chippers up!?


I am getting sick of you slinging mud, personal attacks, and using words like failsafe on a device that is mediocre at best!


how about answering questions jomoco, ever heard of that!?

can you name a proven and tested system that would help an incapacitated worker out JoJo? We have already determined yours and Mathers don't qualify!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?


you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
It doesn't surprise me that you avoid any mention of how many of the chippers involved in these deaths had inhopper failsafe devices in them BB.

But I can assure you that OSHA and NIOSH/FACE officials are nowhere near as obtuse and blind on the matter as you are BB.

jomoco
 
there are NO failsafe devices for chippers available at this time. those cable aren't a failsafe as they depend on the bar and chipper to be in excellent condition.


a failsafe is like an airbag, no maintenance and they always work.



stop changing the sunject and answer th questions

can you name a proven and tested system that would help an incapacitated worker out JoJo? We have already determined yours and Mathers don't qualify!

why was your system/invention not field tested and pushed hard?


you're comparing the enclosed cabs of whole tree chippers, 36"+ with 800hp engines, to 18" chippers!? those units have NO reverse bars, or safety mechanisms that is why the operator is in a cab! correct?


do you know the meaning of Libel?
 
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I'm growing a bit fed up with your moronic advocacy for shooting down even the simplest of safety devices to keep your fellow treeworkers from a grisly death BB.


jomoco

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Nobody's shooting down simple failsafe safety devices... we're shooting down lame attempts at profiting from those grisly deaths you mention. All your heartfelt adjectives make it obvious that you're trying to manipulate people by playing their emotions... behavior that belongs in a day care, not an arborist forum.

RFID isn't remotely failsafe, it's MUCH easier to defeat than a stop bar and isn't even in the same galaxy as two workers always attending the chipper and watching for one another's safety.

Chippers HAVE safety devices. People die when those devices are bypassed or they do ignorant stuff like shoving a boot or an arm in a chipper chute.

Go schill your rig somewhere else. This sales job cynically disguised as heartfelt concern is vile.
 
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