Who runs legit?

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...but we made $170,000.00 in only 4 1/2 work days during Ike pulling trees off houses.

ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!


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Okay. I'll bite.

Was that gross or net in 4.5 days?
How many jobs did you do?

You did publically put it out there...
 
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...but we made $170,000.00 in only 4 1/2 work days during Ike pulling trees off houses.

ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!


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Okay. I'll bite.

Was that gross or net in 4.5 days?
How many jobs did you do?

You did publically put it out there...

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I wasn't fishing...... but it was net... (pun intended).

Somewhere around 6 sales guys, 50 jobs, 2 crews, 2 100 ton cranes.
 
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I'm about tired of this manic screwy little thread. Either the jobs are so good that you're making bank while some dingbat homeowner is running your ropes, or everything is a total nightmare Steinbeck dust bowl depression with zombie immigrants feeding on their own brains . . .
 
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we made $170,000.00 in only 4 1/2 work days

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I'm about tired of this manic screwy little thread. Either the jobs are so good that you're making bank while some dingbat homeowner is running your ropes, or everything is a total nightmare Steinbeck dust bowl depression with zombie immigrants feeding on their own brains . . .

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smile.....
 
Danielson,
You remind me of an ex girlfriends mom....she blamed others for her heartache but had the potential to fix those problems herself.
Whingers in the tree game make an already hard job harder and should not be in the workplace.
If you are a genuine tree man,either,sort your sh*t out, tuffen up and get out of this industry you are crying about or get a sex change cause i've heard b*tches that moan way less than you!!!

smile.....
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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Whoops....

I was so excited to use my pun, that I forgot....

Yes, you are right. It was gross not net.

The jobs averaged 3500 gross per crane job we did. (rough numbers).
 
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I'm about tired of this manic screwy little thread. Either the jobs are so good that you're making bank while some dingbat homeowner is running your ropes, or everything is a total nightmare Steinbeck dust bowl depression with zombie immigrants feeding on their own brains . . .

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Agreed.

You're asking to get raked over the coals when you start a discussion complaining about how you are unable to compete with hacks and illegitimate businesses and then tell us that you're running your "business" illegitimately with the client roping and raking. Then drop that 170K number in there and not expect to get called out for it.

If you can't differentiate a legitimate, above the board tree care service, from every other "tree service" out there, then you need to invest heavily in your marketing strategy and sales techniques.
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster.
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster.

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OUCH!
 
I love that law. Too bad it didn't cover more deceptive hacks. The "fully certified and licenced" what does that mean? How about "staff biologist", "professional","insured" pretty vague claims. Perfectly legal till researched by consumer though. I see all my competition making false claims, I just give my 100% and hope people firgure it out. A little legal backing on these frauds would help the whole tree service business.
 
"I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster. "

If this is what you can put up for just your second post, i can't wait to see the third and fourth. Keep it comin'.
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster.

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$3500 for a tree on a house with a 100 Ton crane is fair. Our prices are pre-printed before we ever go to a storm.

We don't "guess" what we think the tree is worth. We use a tape measure. This way, no-one can accuse anyone of "inflating" based off of fear or need. On some we win, on others we lose, but using this pre-set pricing helps because the numbers average out to cover our expenses/stay profitable.

Our out of town prices have been the same for over 7 years and we have never had a claim come back.

The law that you quoted was written for the guys who randomly overcharge depending on what they can get for the job. That is not how we operated.

Yes, we worked some SUPER long hours for thoes 4.5 days.

Average was just over 5 jobs a day at 3500 per job....

So no, we were not gouging.


But start a new thread if you want to talk about price gouging.... This thread is about who runs legit.

I am working on some proof for y'all right now...

You will see it in a couple hours.

One more thing....

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If you worked 12 hours per day.....

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Up at 4am prepping gear, getting fuel, getting crews food etc....... and going to sleep at 1am (the next morning) after final sales meeting. 3 hours of sleep a night........

12 hours a day would have been welcomed...
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster.

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OUCH!

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Didn't mean to come off that that aggressive. I didn't see his quote about man power sales guys etc..., but the point remains. This is a sensitive issue for me because I have been scrutinized by insurance companies and government because of other companies "price gouging".

I agree with much of what Danielson claims as "industry problems". They are real and they suck.... And the more time I have wasted trying to combat them... The less food I bring home...

For the record... if you pulled off 170k in 4.5 days, you must be one hell of a salesman!!!!!

Sorry to come out of the gate so strong!!!!!
 
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Not sure that Netting 170k in one week is legit. That's an absurd amount of profit. Some might even call that "ripping people off". Unless you mean that was gross sales.

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I am a legit storm chaser. If you worked 12 hours per day for 4.5 days that totals 54 hours. 170K / 54 hours = $3,148.14 per hour. I hope you were working about 20 guys and had 5 cranes....

If not you are one the guys that makes my life miserable...


In 1995, the Texas Legislature made changes to the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, ("DTPA"), a consumer protection law, by enacting a provision that defines price-gouging during emergencies as a false, misleading, or deceptive act. Section 17.46(b)(27) makes it a violation to take advantage of a disaster by demanding or charging "an exorbitant or excessive price" for "fuel, food, medicine or another necessity" during a declared disaster.

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OUCH!

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Didn't mean to come off that that aggressive. I didn't see his quote about man power sales guys etc..., but the point remains. This is a sensitive issue for me because I have been scrutinized by insurance companies and government because of other companies "price gouging".

I agree with much of what Danielson claims as "industry problems". They are real and they suck.... And the more time I have wasted trying to combat them... The less food I bring home...

For the record... if you pulled off 170k in 4.5 days, you must be one hell of a salesman!!!!!

Sorry to come out of the gate so strong!!!!!

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Hey Thanks
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I really appreciate that. Because I feel the same feelings you had. I get sick of going to a storm and having a target on my back all the time.

And yes.... the problems are real.

Here in a bit I am going ot post some proof for all those guys who are not yet affected...
 
Ok Banjo, as well as all the guys across the country not believing just how many tree guys run illegally here.

So that you can resist the temptation to write off my claim of a "greater than 90% run illegally" claim, I called and recorded the conversations from 3 tree guys, a mechanic who fixes tree equipment, and a grapple company who picks up for tree guys.

You can listen to what they have to say here:

http://www.howtoopenabusiness.com/82

So now you see what I am talking about.

Our crookedness and dishonesty are the very things that are driving the prices down in the Atlanta market.

In our drive to "get an edge" over the competition, we have ruined the market.

It as a very difficult problem and one that will be very difficult to turn around.

So when it is all said and done, we really only had one single tree service stand up and say that he runs legit.

Way to go NATREES!!!! You are the true exception! You should feel proud of your integrity!
 
DanielSon, those are interesting conversations and I'm not doubting the main thrust of your argument, but you've simply conducted an unscientific telephone poll, one subject to many biases. These calls are not proof of your assertions.

If you find my response frustrating, then you'll have to do your own research on how to conduct a scientific poll. Even a scientific telephone poll would only reveal opinions and not facts. You would have to conduct audits of a large random sample of Atlanta tree services to prove your assertions.

But you don't need to prove anything. I think most people here believe you are generally correct. The question I'm most interested in—I suspect most other readers are too—what is the solution?
 
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DanielSon, those are interesting conversations and I'm not doubting the main thrust of your argument, but you've simply conducted an unscientific telephone poll, one subject to many biases. These calls are not proof of your assertions.

If you find my response frustrating, then you'll have to do your own research on how to conduct a scientific poll. Even a scientific telephone poll would only reveal opinions and not facts. You would have to conduct audits of a large random sample of Atlanta tree services to prove your assertions.

But you don't need to prove anything. I think most people here believe you are generally correct. The question I'm most interested in—I suspect most other readers are too—what is the solution?

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Glenn, I appreciate your candor... (because "proving" get wearisome.)

So what is the solution?
Well I have some ideas, but I would like to hear from others.
 
The bottom line is consumer education. The public generally does not know what good work is, or how much it should cost. That is mostly up to us to educate our market but a mass media campaign would be what I'd approve my membership money to go towards at the ISA. Or we need another fund for donations to go towards for this purpose.
 
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