White oak (embedded pics)

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I guarantee I could have that tree safely stripped to a snag in two hours or less using a substantially more economical, smaller crane. I did it today, and I'll do it again tomorrow.

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Oh, man, c'mon now. That is patently absurd. It's fine if you personally want to use smaller cranes for some reason, hell, why not use no crane, not have to pay for one at all? Big cranes cost more, big cranes do more. You can pick one big 10,000lb log at once in, let's say, 10 minutes...setting the strap moving down, cutting, laying the log down...or spend an 100 minutes picking out ten 1000lb logs that have to be dealt with individually on the ground as well. I guess it depends on how much your time is worth and how much the crane costs. You go for it, picking twigs with the Tonka crane, just don't say you're going to do it faster. Unless you were trying to insult the guy, I dunno, maybe you were.
 
We shoulda used a 100 ton for this TD, instead of the 17, eh?

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And it ain't even a 22'er. Go figure.
 
Quite a few differences in the job MB. First that tree looks to be 3' or under DBH. Second the crane looks to be at a 30' radius to the center of the tree. Third the structure of the tree is different, much smaller crown spread, smaller limb wood as well. Comparing it to the tree behind it, it looks to be a typical tree of what we have here as well, although on that job you removed alot more than I ever have on one job.



Oh, someone asked, dont remember who, riding the ball here is forbidden by all the companies.
 
I think you're wrong MB.....did you not notice that Carl said his lightest pick was 8k......that tree would have been a nightmare to do with a small crane. Heck, you'd even have been taking limbs in small pieces, what fun is that? You'd have to have been way out to rig these small pieces, either on rappel or in that danged basket.....


geesh, sometimes I wonder about ya.......

Awesome work, Carl!
 
I was answering No Bivy. Forgot one question, no the LMI wasnt touched throughout the day. The computers problem was the boom angle sensor.
 
Roger, the smallest limb was 8k, the smallest pick was 750lbs at 100'. Just taking the tip off a limb over some small trees and beside the house.

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The basket was only used to set slings, I did all the cutting from my man lift. That was the first time I have used the basket for setting slings, given the rules I have to follow it worked out fairly well IMO. Usually I am climbing about setting the slings and then cutting. Only the second time the crane had an aux winch.


This is the 8k lb limb. Its tips I took out in smaller pieces at the tips, got the brush off in 2 pics (mainly) then took the rest of the wood out.

The tree reached from line to line, second picture:
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Greetings Master Blaster,
I only have a 221/2 crane. I would so the same as you and cut smaller pieces. I did a lot of relief work and secular work in La. [Covinton Mandaville] places like that and 8k is absolutley doable.
 
I agree. A 22 would do the job just fine, and would cost a lot less. I think some of ya'll have been bamboozled into thinking you need a HUGE crane to do jobs safely.
Heck, my first experience with a crane was with a 12 ton, and I worked with it for years. But a 12 is TOO SMALL. 22 is PERFECT for 90% of the jobs.
 
MB,
You have large cranes on your web sight, why are you so judgemental? Smaller cranes may work but the margin for era is greater. People choose what they feel comfortable with. What are the stats on crane tip overs, anyone know? Having a big crane on your job site reflects no "bambuzelwhat" on skill. Do you agree that reach from the center of turntable is the most relevant factor? You live in the flat lands where this may not be a concern. If you have to boom way down to reach something why would you want to be close to the limit. Bravado of roulette? Size of wood could be changed, but consider the benefits of a larger lift. Your skills are complete, we know it. However, think about less experienced folks where more is better. Do let your baggage with someone control your pontification. Think outside the box.
 
In the last five years the BIGGEST crane I ever used was 80 ton, and that was TWICE. Maybe five times a 30 or 40. All the rest were ... guess what? 22, or 17.

Bigger ain't always better, but it is dang sure more expensive.

Trust me! I'm right! :^)
 
Tree junky, good call, I am wrong. The base of the limb is around 16", the limb was roughly 45-50' long. 4.5-5.5k lbs would be a much more sensable number.

Thanks for calling that, that was the last limb we did on the tree at around 7pm, my mind musta been slipping a bit. I was using a singnal man to talk to the operator.
 
MB,
I probably used a 22at more often, but when it comes to big wood, bigger is safer. what do think about the distance from turntable to lift point? You seem to avoid this question. We are not focusing on price. Do you base your choice soley on cost?
 
Like I said earlier, I'm basing all my opinion from the first pic.

And YES. EVERYTHING RELATING TO EVERYTHING IS BASED UPON THE EXPENSES INVOLVED.

But hey, that's just me.
 
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