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Re: re: jamoco

TCIA is made up of companies that see this as adding an expense to their bottomline that they can't justify. So the push back is from the companies vs. the Association. TCIA is just the conduit. It would be very interesting to read the lawyer's perspective on the liability issue.

Do you have the article by Ball?
 
Re: re: jamoco

TCIA works on behalf of its members, not their employees, there's a vital distinction there guys.

The common groundie pays no TCIA dues, and is therefore relegated to the back of the bus in terms of their best interests on the job.

There's an unmistakable irony at work here. A modern commercial lumber mill won't allow a log that hasn't been run through a metal detector in its doors simply because the potential down time and damage costs is so huge.

Now compare that to the rationale that as long as the mistake prone groundie can be reasonably assumed to have been negligent while feeding a whole tree chipper?

Well then, why would it be incumbent upon the WTC mfr to develope a unit that won't eat it's operator alive? Much less establishing a pesky two man minimum rule like the Feds and state NIOSH govt officials recommend?

What's a few eaten chipper operators a year anyway?

jomoco
 
Re: re: jamoco

Jomoco, while I admire your sentiment, the two man rule would not work. The profit ceiling in this industry is comparatively low. People are only willing to pay so much for a tree removal, no matter how good you are or how expensive your equipment is. You'd lower the ceiling further by having companies paying for two groundies but only getting the productivity of one, since one guy couldn't chip until the other was standing next to him. The result would likely be some good, law abiding companies going out of business, or you'd see a drastic lowering of groundie pay, making it harder to attract good people and run a quality operation.

Product liability is highly trial driven, which makes it highly jury driven. Some products are simply more dangerous to use than others, and most juries get that. I mean, more people are hurt or killed by bikes and motorcycles than chippers, but should we ban them? Impose a 35 mph speed limit? Nah. Car accident injuries could be drastically reduced if all car interiors were required to be made of Nerf, or if we were required to have a co-driver with a separate brake pedal- but somewhere you reach the point of ridiculousness. I'd rather live in a society that recognizes and accepts uncomfortable adult realities than one that attempts to create utopia by passing laws treating us all like children.

That said, there's nothing wrong with continued attempts to make chippers safer. You can bet that just about every safety feature and warning sticker on existing self-feeders is the result of a lawsuit or an attempt to preempt one.
 
Re: re: jamoco

Seat belts, inertia chain brakes, airbags, who needs em?

Screw NIOSH, the FEDS,screw em all, this is bidness!

jomoco
 
Re: re: jomoco

Your examples: cars got seat belts and airbags as reasonable (and reasonably cost effective) solutions. Same for chainsaws and inertia brakes.

Self feeders got multiple feed wheel reverse bars, last chance cables hanging thru the chute, and approximately 437 warning stickers per side. Seems pretty equal. Gotta achieve that balance between making a tool safer and keeping it useful for its intended purpose.

Sometimes adults have to use dangerous tools to get things done. I'd rather have a government that let me use a 200T than one that made me use a Silky.

But the Silky would be safer........
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