Twin bridges on treemo

Mowerr said:
It is understood but my point is that I have 2 ends of rope to terminate one 1 d ring. So how do I anchor bend that??
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only use one end per side, drop the girth hitch idea.. you can tie one anchor bend with two ends or two ropes but it would be a BFK
 
I hear ya evo and tall guy, id be just fine with a single rope from d to d. Just putting my questions out there to see if anyone figured out or just knew a good/better way to terminate
 
I see no advantage to a girth hitch. Are we still talking about a tree mo? 1 bridge with stoppers, second bridge with fisherman, poachers, anchor etc. On seperate rope terminating to each lower D. The girth hitch seems like redundancy, but really is not. As stated earlier, I believe by Evo, if one lag of rope was compromised the girth hitch would not be secure and your system would fail. 2 ropes, 4 terminations for proper redundancy.
 
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TallTreeClimber said:
I don't feel like it's a secure hitch for a bridge that will be used and the put up repeatedly. I use it with stopper knots on a few climbing ropes terminated to rings, but the big advantage of an anchor hitch is that it can be very easily undone after weighting. It could be loosened while in a bag and then you'd not know it.

It has it's place, but on a bridge, I don't feel is one of those places.
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To each his own...I personally always inspect my gear before use and confirm my hitches and knots are secured before climbing. I understand that caution is always a good rule to climb by, but personally have never had any issues. I use to use it for a termination on my closed MRS system as well as the hitch climber pulley system. Does not interfere with the hitch cord. Still use it for double crotching the tail...good hitch to know and use
 
RyTheTreeGuy said:
I see no advantage to a girth hitch. Are we still talking about a tree mo? 1 bridge with stoppers, second bridge with fisherman, poachers, anchor etc. On seperate rope terminating to each lower D. The girth hitch seems like redundancy, but really is not. As stated earlier, I believe by Evo, if one lag of rope was compromised the girth hitch would not be secure and your system would fail. 2 ropes, 4 terminations for proper redundancy.
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Agai, as I stated before also... I'm not splitting the bridge that has a girth. One ring on that bridge. 2 bridges is plenty of redundancy. And yes I agree with just about everything we all said. The challenge i presented to the buzz was how to terminate a twin bridge on my saddle in a practical manner. Its all good guys. I appreciate all of your time. Just making sure I'm not overlooking anything. I was mearly just trying out a twin bridge like weaver does. I hate weaver. I'm sure I'm gonna go right back so a single rope with scaffolds. Thank you for your time men
 
Mowerr said:
Agai, as I stated before also... I'm not splitting the bridge that has a girth. One ring on that bridge. 2 bridges is plenty of redundancy. And yes I agree with just about everything we all said. The challenge i presented to the buzz was how to terminate a twin bridge on my saddle in a practical manner. Its all good guys. I appreciate all of your time. Just making sure I'm not overlooking anything. I was mearly just trying out a twin bridge like weaver does. I hate weaver. I'm sure I'm gonna go right back so a single rope with scaffolds. Thank you for your time men
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Now buy me a beer
 
John@TreeXP said:
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You're calling that a 3-wrap scaffold knot? Are you sure it's not a 3-wrap barrel knot? Can't tell from the photo but I hope the cord doesn't follow the path highlighted in yellow.
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evo said:
Now buy me a beer
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Sure but all I got is cash and I can't get the phone to accept it. The single rope with scaffolds was how I had the 2nd bridge before trying this twin idea. Boredom brought me to trying new configss and a rethinking of all my gear while having the time to inspect it. I really don't mess with my bridges much and haven't in a long time.
 
Tuebor said:
You're calling that a 3-wrap scaffold knot? Are you sure it's not a 3-wrap barrel knot? Can't tell from the photo but I hope the cord doesn't follow the path highlighted in yellow.
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Would this be a stevidor knot in a slip knot configuration? I doubt the tail follows the path, but this is a often forgotten rule. Keep it simple and easily identifiable that it’s tied correctly
 
No, it wasn't tied that way. Mine is more like a stopper knot on a carabiner with an extra 3rd wrap. I think there are a bunch of knot names that mean the same thing and I'll let Richard use his testing gear to determine which ones are better/worse and how many kNs it can handle. A 3-wrap barrel/scaffold/fishermans/stopper knot are all pretty much identical, regardless of the different names people may attribute to it. Rather than split hairs and debate knot names, the better question to ask is if it's better to put two wraps around the d-rings, or one-wrap around the d-ring and two or three wraps around the rope-bridge, in a stopper/scaffold/barrel-knot like way.
 
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John@TreeXP said:
No, it wasn't tied that way. Mine is more like a stopper knot on a carabiner with an extra 3rd wrap. I think there are a bunch of knot names that mean the same thing and I'll let Richard use his testing gear to determine which ones are better/worse and how many kNs it can handle. A 3-wrap barrel/scaffold/fishermans/stopper knot are all pretty much identical, regardless of the different names people may attribute to it. Rather than split hairs and debate knot names, the better question to ask is if it's better to put two wraps around the d-rings, or one-wrap around the d-ring and two or three wraps around the rope-bridge, in a stopper/scaffold/barrel-knot like way.
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Sorry but what is tied with the white rope is none of the above. Yes the many names for the same knot can be confusing for sure.
This is NOT something to be pig headed about though. Please check your self, and if you want to experiment with different knots feel free. Just do your testing, and make sure you know what to call it.

With all rope work common knots are used. Not only because they work well, but because that can be easily identified when tied correctly. This is exactly what is going on with this situation, you are saying it’s one thing (which it’s not) and no one can ID it to verify if is safe.

Now I think I know what you tied, and while it might hold. It is a very poor choice to be repeatedly loaded and unloaded which could cause it to loosen and the tail to slip out.

This is kind of the danger I was bringing up with rec climbers trying to become an authority on the subject. Slow down and learn. I get that we all start from somewhere, and many of us were brought into the industry. Innovation is great and can come from anywhere.
 
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Thanks for the lecture. If you were to observe this knot being tied, you'd realize it's both safe and utilized by numerous climbers, including Kevin Bingham, as shown in the SRT/TreeStuff video. While I stepped up to address the question put forth in this thread, I've seen no other responses other than mine, which resulted in my being slammed to hell and back. Lets see what you have to offer and lets all be the judge of that.
 
John@TreeXP said:
Yes, thats the knot I tied. It both crimps onto the biner and constricts against the tail.
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Ok so that is a stevedore tied on the working end. I still have NEVER seen it used in a configuration where it’s tied in any way than a undressed scaffold, or a stopper.

I don’t like it in this configuration one bit. It’s debatable if the tail is captured enough.

https://www.animatedknots.com/stevedore/index.php
 
John@TreeXP said:
Thanks for the lecture. If you were to observe this knot being tied, you'd realize it's both safe and utilized by numerous climbers, including Kevin Bingham, as shown in the SRT/TreeStuff video. While I stepped up to address the question put forth in this thread, I've seen no other responses other than mine, which resulted in my being slammed to hell and back. Lets see what you have to offer and lets all be the judge of that.
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I use a double fisherman’s/ scaffold etc tied directly onto the dee’s. Ring through both bridges and a swivel on the stock.

The only reason I have a backup is because I use the yo-yo man rollin lock on the stock bridge, which I don’t entirely like a cammed devise at a primary life support attachment.
 
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