TreeStuff No-Knot Rigging System

its not in the products its the wording.

for example: "revolutionizes traditional rigging"
could have been worded "refines / perfects the classic knot-less rigging system"
another example, the rings:
"Designed by arborists for arborists and built by engineers"
could have been worded "designed to better fit preferred rope sizes used for rigging slings"
the writing makes it seem/sound like one is dismissing that the x-rigging rings are brought to us BY an arborist who, thru much effort/time/$$$$ made sure they were suitable FOR arborists.

im not trying to be an antagonist. im just saying. the way things are written will dictate how they are interpreted. "your a beautiful girl" and "your so flippin' hot" get waaaaaay different reactions. someone correct me if im wrong and off track with what im saying here.
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
its not in the products its the wording.

for example: "revolutionizes traditional rigging"
could have been worded "refines / perfects the classic knot-less rigging system"
another example, the rings:
"Designed by arborists for arborists and built by engineers"
could have been worded "designed to better fit preferred rope sizes used for rigging slings"
the writing makes it seem/sound like one is dismissing that the x-rigging rings are brought to us BY an arborist who, thru much effort/time/$$$$ made sure they were suitable FOR arborists.

im not trying to be an antagonist. im just saying. the way things are written will dictate how they are interpreted. "your a beautiful girl" and "your so flippin' hot" get waaaaaay different reactions. someone correct me if im wrong and off track with what im saying here.
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I agree different words get different reactions. But there phrases have to be catchy to sell things if they sound lame or long winded or dull in the sales pitch they won't sell. As well coming up with the first words aren't always the best and some time to mull them over some times you find something better but that's splitting hairs
 
The wording? Really? I believe that's called marketing. Neither of the examples you gave are false statements, they're just jazzed up versions of the truth.

What would you think if the slogan of your company was, "There are other tree companies, but ours is probably better"?

In both of the alternate descriptions you gave you would be directing customers away from the product. Someone is going to click on the knot less rigging system, see "classic knot less rigging system", go hey I don't need to buy this when there's a cheaper alternative out there, and leave. Potential sale lost.

And the rings (and I can't believe we're still talking about the fucking rings) are no different either. You think TS is going to say, "Hey, here are these other similar rings that we modelled ours off of. We've made some improvements to them, but the guy who brought those similar ones to market poured his time and hard earned money into them so go buy his instead"?

Seems people just enjoy harping on some petty, stupid ass shit.
 
you seemed curious as to why people have acted like TreeStuff seemed like they were not giving credit where it is due. i was just saying my opinion on why it is you are reading the responses you see. im not sure that im at all accurate.
and it is merely the opinion is that of an arborist who likes to shop from treestuff and reads the product descriptions, and who is certainly not a marketing expert. even if i could be good at, its just not as fun as being an arborist.
 
Daniel said:
wondering if we might run into the issue of the rope sliding down the trunk on straight spar type cuts.. would making a half hitch or marl be more difficult with the hardware? etc.. Actually love the idea.. I'd like to get the raw material on that, so I can put it on a 200' rope of my own liking..
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True blue I presume....oh my
 
allmark said:
Whoppies should not be used for crane slings in the manner described. The adjustable portion needs to be incorporated into the choke. If it is on the hook end it is possible for the adjustable part to pull out under heavy load. I tested a set up similar to that made specifically for crane work and that is why I discontinued the use.
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Loopies, or whoopies? Is it necessary to choke the adjustable portion on a whoopie?
 
KevinS said:
You put the adjusted whoopie eye on the wood then like the loopie the cross over of the girth hitch should lock it. We hope.
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Right, understood with the loopie, but I've never had the issue with a whoopie sling, and I never worry about choking the sliding portion.
 
What I was saying about whoopsies is:
They were designed to have one eye passéd through the other after adjusting it. If one eye is hooked to the crane and the other eye is choked around the tree and the adjustable portion is between then the adjustable part can slide when under load. I used one for a while and had that exact thing happen when I was picking a piece over wires..luckily I was able to move the crane quick enough to take up the extra length and avoid a problem.
 
As for tree stuffs product ... I use the Morgan set up also and it works great. It is possible for that to unhook itself too if slack is introduced to it after loaded. It is hard to do but possible. Knowing this and setting up your rigging is no different tha mitigating other risks we deal with daily.

No matter what system you use you would want to use a slip knot to keep the rope running through the block otherwise the hook and ring or carabiner and ring or what ever termination you have will be at the block not where you need it.
 
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