TreeFlex

TreeFlex, TreeMotion. Kinda confusing to me as well. Oh well, I guess the names of these two saddles are just about as similar as they can get. Maybe the next saddle will be called the:
Ultimate Tree!
This thread is about the TreeFlex.
 
Well I'm looking forward to meeting you High Scale - or have we already met? Difficult to know who is behind the monikers : ) I know you have expressed an interest in TFX and the ergonomic climbing concept for some time.

Be sure to introduce yourself and I'll get you set up with TFX/SRT. The little tips and tricks make all the difference to a smooth system.
 
These new saddles are designed for a custom fit. With these saddles the idea of 'one size fits all' does not apply. Even the idea of 'small, medium, large' is kind of outdated because when you fit yourself to the basic correct size of the saddle your personal adjustments that you must make are just that, personal.

I guess I am saying this because if anyone expects to throw on one of these saddles and have it fit perfectly with no adjustments, they are going to be dissapointed.
Keep in mind that that is just my opinion. I have not yet tried these saddles myself.
 
Steve, no, I did not try the Treeflex, the Motion, you just showed me that, I did not try it.

Laz, It will be good to meet you, I intend to try both the TFX and the Motion.
 
The risk in customising any safety equipment, is using it in a configuration it hasn't been tested for. An unknown quantity that is given the blind eye all too often.

With TFX, we have tried to avoid such situations. We have tested it in the configurations that we think suitable for use, like clipping the shackles directly to the leg loop rings, and using the bridge with or without a ring. And some configurations that shouldn't be used, like clipping into the shackles with karabiners.

This is expensive, but gives employers some clear cut decisions when auditing staff practices.

This has been covered in other recent threads, but bears repeating:
Users of PPE should make sure they understand its configurations and limitations as part of a system, especially in an industry such as ours that climbs routinely without back-up.
 
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Users of PPE should make sure they understand its configurations and limitations as part of a system, especially in an industry such as ours that climbs routinely without back-up.

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This harness seems to have avery big one
How the hell did it get its EN 813 certifications and who was the testing body.....
What can you say

Didj
 
Re: TreeFlex recall notice

Are they saying they made a harness with parts that could break at 500kg? Thats about 1000 pounds, right? Not much of a safety factor!

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nick
 
Re: TreeFlex recall notice

I guess maybe I'll wait until all these new saddles are ansi approved before I buy one or rave about one.
 
Re: TreeFlex NOT recalled notice

The Cresto statement has been altered to clarify alittle better. It is responsible to notify potential users of a POTENTIAL problem, in proportion to any risk.

To clarify the possible problem, the THREAD used on the stitching of the sliding bridge, has been found to be of the wrong type, with a rating of only 500kg. Maybe someone was having a bad day on the shop floor, and replaced the thread with the wrong type - I don't know. We are all human and occassinally mistakes can be made.

The quality control of the manufacturer has enabled the traceability of all POTENTIALLY affected products to be quickly identified, and purchasers notified. This did not require a general recall notice, but involves a change of use whilst waiting for the forwarding of a replaceable component.

TreeFlex, therefore, is still safe to use by attaching to the Blue attachment point, until the replacement bridge arrives. A 22kN Maillon can be properly fixed there to accomodate more karabiners, if required. I appreciate that this may be slightly inconvenient, but at least the harness does not need to be recalled, and you can still earn from its use.

Please find attached the press release from STL for additional clarification.

RE: comments on certification - TreeFlex has passed stringent drop tests to conform to EN 813 and 358, and is also prepared for EN361 Fall arrest. We expect that when TFX is sold in the states, it will meet ANSI standards also.

The harnesses that were used for testing, obviously had the correct thread. Each harness cannot be drop tested before it goes out of course!!!

To re-cap:

TREEFLEX DOES NOT HAVE A DESIGN FLAW, BUT SOME HARNESSES MAY HAVE A MANUFACTURING ERROR ON ONE OF THE COMPONENTS - THE THREAD ON THE SLIDING BRIDGE.

TREEFLEX IS NOT RECALLED - IT IS ONLY TO BE USED BY THE BLUE (FIXED WAIST) ATTACHMENT POINT, AND HIP D RINGS, AS APPROPRIATE, UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT BRIDGE IS ATTACHED SECURELY.

A REPLACEMENT BRIDGE IS ON ITS WAY TO ALL THOSE PURCHASERS POTENTIALLY AFFECTED.

ALL TreeFlex owners are to receive a new bridge, from Safety Technology Ltd, regardless of whether or not they have been affected. Just one of the benefits of a modular design. If anyone requires help in its application, or has any concerns, please contact myself or STL, and we will be delighted to be of assistance:

http://www.treemettlenexus.com/contact.html

http://www.safetytechnology.co.uk/contact.php

We apologise for any inconvenience.
Kind Regards
Paolo.
 

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Re: TreeFlex NOT recalled notice

This is a problem with being a first adapter. You get to test the 1st generation. The edelrid tree magic went through the same thing.

Sounds like they are handling it professionally but it must suck to be the guy who found out it wasn't strong enough. Plus inevitably, there are climbers with them out there who will never hear about the problem or correct it. That is the scary truth part about it.

I will ditch my modded Bfly II for one of these "newer" saddles (flex, motion) when they get into their 2nd or 3rd generations. Changing at this point would be trying to fix what isn't broken.

Thanks for the updates!

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... there are climbers with them out there who will never hear about the problem or correct it. That is the scary truth part about it...

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At this early stage of sales, in this situation, I very much doubt if that is the case Nathan. We are confident that everyone who owns a TreeFlex will shortly be informed.
 
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RE: comments on certification - TreeFlex has passed stringent drop tests to conform to EN 813 and 358, and is also prepared for EN361 Fall arrest

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The harness has been CE so the the prototypes obviously passed the tests.What I find scary is that looking at the batch numbers around 200 harnesses have left the factory before the problem was found.This in anyones books is very bad quality control.In a worst case senario that is 200 potential deaths or serious injuries.For a company the size of Cresto I feel that this is an unexceptable failure of insuring product safety.Makes me very uneasy when I think of how much high access equipment they make

Didj
 
Re: TreeFlex NOT recalled notice

Cresto are currently manufacturing TreeFlex under licence.

If you have a real issue with Cresto quality, discussing it here won't resolve any concerns. Taking it up with them possibly will.
 
Re: TreeFlex NOT recalled notice

Safety Technology have just informed me that they are prepared to hand out a replacement Cresto harness to any TFX owner that would prefer not to use TFX from the blue attachment point (i.e. if they require a sliding D), whilst waiting for the replacement bridge to arrive.

Kind regards
Paolo.
 
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