Tree removal help

Nick, Great video.
Mr. Green, I dont see how you can lash out at people who are trying to help you out. My response was based upon the limited information you gave. Sure I butt hitch, but 2 - 3" and 10 - 15' long pieces a couple hundred pounds max. What you discribed I would not consider a butt hitch. I have worked in the industry for 15 years (this week) and never seen this done or heard of a name for it. One of my main concerns with your technique is a larger rope may not be the answer... When rigging you ALWAYS want the rope to be the weak link. If the blocks/pulley or rigging device is weaker you have a projectile. Even worse is if the tree is the weak link, Im sure you can visualize what can happen. You may not believe it but we are trying to help and are concerned for your safety.
Im glad the tree came down without any incident. And good luck in your future endevores.
 
Bonner's cheating. He said this would be the best thread of 2013, but he's trying to do it with his own posts.

As for Vila, I can't believe that stupendously idiotic video is still on YouTube. You would think he would have had it removed by now in a futile attempt to save some tiny shred of credibility/manhood.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N6rViWIzVY

I know I sent this one up on the buzzbuster video before, but it also needs to be re hatched.

Here we can see the technique of cutting your triangle and then cutting above that to fell the tree with no control at all. Can this count in the little contest Reg and Xman got going on, no apparent need for gunning sights at all. But i mean, if he was aiming for that hardhat, he sure hit it dead on.
 
Aha, now that I have just put the sheets on the bed I am back....Wow in all my almost 46 years I have never been called a nerd, even after travelling all over the world and hanging in different cultures....that's why I like coming here it just a place I can get a " first " occasionally, even if it not tree related....I am now an official treenerd ( guess a bit tree related ), and albeit via the internet...not even to my face, welcome to 2013....I predict this thread to go 10 pages...it just so very deep....BANG...
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J Greene,

With all the other dogs nipping at your back legs, you haven't clarified with me your rigging plan.

Once I know it, I would like to comment and maybe can answer your questions.

It's a shame it's turned out like this, cause there are likely 10,000 guys trying to rig that don't know what's exactly going on, to the ratio of 10 guys that know what is going on.

Here is why it's turned out like this.

Picture a forum as a dog pack that each individual knows each other a bit. Then this outside dog comes in and he stinks a bit. Many of the dogs don't like his smell and are growling.

Then the new dog starts growling back and shows his teeth.

What happens?, the pack goes crazy and it's a dog pile on the new comer.

That is what has happened. And in the frenzy, you couldn't notice the ones that were trying to accept you and not fight.

Now for the sake of learning, can you continue and stop showing your teeth. Even when others provoke you?

I've been part of the attack pack many times.

The last one I remember was Ricky Tree. But you know what, he's a tough guy and stuck around. Likely increasing his knowledge and work safety and efficiency. Sorry Ricky... glad you stuck around.

many new people have to run the gauntlet when they enter a forum, especially if they are new and share anything that isn't up to the best practices...... that's the way it is. It happened to me and many of us. The strong stick with it and benefit.
 
Because of the bucket reach, you need to cut at around 40 feet high at the highest. This leaves almost the same length limb above the cut.

Due to the height of the tree, you have no room to let the limb "run". You are hinging over a very long piece.

so, you want it to pretty much stay put near the notch while it hinges over, then once it settles, you will lower and lay it out with groundmen.

Is this drawing now correct?

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I dunno, Xman. A fellow is asking how to perform a bellyflop off the high diving board, (but his swimming ability is sketchy). I think the diving instructions you are trying to provide are well-intentioned, but could be painful to the participant. Sometimes a little knowledge combined with a lot of ego can result in someone getting into a world of avoidable hurt.

And while it is all fine and good to try to play the part of the Xpert hero here, and be nice and all, and the end of the day you need to realize you are dealing with somebody who wants to take shortcuts, and take the easy way out, instead of educating himself through some proper channels and means that have already been suggested much earlier in this thread.
 
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I'm certain your drawing is now correct. He wanted advice on how to butt hitch a 40 foot top. But he didn't know what a butt hitch was. Or what rope to use. Or how to tie a bowline. So some of us felt that it wouldn't be appropriate to try to teach all this via typed words on a forum. (I don't know how to add drawings)

My first response to him (on the first page of this thread) was appropriately helpful, I thought. I listed all the terms he would need to know to get the job done, assuming he had the right rope.

I hear you on the dog pack thing. I only got a little chippy when it appeared that he was taking my "advice" as gospel. I then reminded him that none of us had ever seen this tree, and that I didn't want him assuming my recommendations were correct. Hate for a guy to get hurt that way.

I hope he sticks around too. I have a feeling you are about to offer a free lesson, with illustrations and all. You should respond and learn, J Greene.
 
10,000 to 10 ratio? I had no idea it was that bad. That's like 999 out of 1000 treeguys not knowing what they are doing? Say it ain't so.
 
How would you guys feel if 6 months from now you learn that he is dead due to something failing?

And.... it could have NOT happened if he learned more, but was so turned off from this thread that he went the other way?

If he goes to treehouse, the hillbilly dope smokers will give him bad advice.

if he goes to arborist site, he'll have a 15 yr old kid giving him advice or some want-a-be treeguy.

I'm no better than you guys, I've done the dog pile. It's kinda fun, I know.
 
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I'm certain your drawing is now correct. He wanted advice on how to butt hitch a 40 foot top. But he didn't know what a butt hitch was. Or what rope to use. Or how to tie a bowline. So some of us felt that it wouldn't be appropriate to try to teach all this via typed words on a forum. (I don't know how to add drawings)

My first response to him (on the first page of this thread) was appropriately helpful, I thought. I listed all the terms he would need to know to get the job done, assuming he had the right rope.

I hear you on the dog pack thing. I only got a little chippy when it appeared that he was taking my "advice" as gospel. I then reminded him that none of us had ever seen this tree, and that I didn't want him assuming my recommendations were correct. Hate for a guy to get hurt that way.

I hope he sticks around too. I have a feeling you are about to offer a free lesson, with illustrations and all. You should respond and learn, J Greene.

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I hear ya and understand.
 
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Nick, should the angle cut go upwards towards the triangle, or down?
Is a steep angle better to allow the top to hinge slowly?



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Ah, the high to low back cut. We see that crap a lot around here. And we have a name for it that I'm not at liberty to discuss right now. Backcut needs to be level people. And what's with cutting the face 2/3rds of the way in. I've always been a 1/3 kind of guy. I'm taking everything Bob says with a grain of salt in the future.
 
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How would you guys feel if 6 months from now you learn that he is dead due to something failing?

And.... it could have NOT happened if he learned more, but was so turned off from this thread that he went the other way?

If he goes to treehouse, the hillbilly dope smokers will give him bad advice.
if he goes to arborist site, he'll have a 15 yr old kid giving him advice or some want-a-be treeguy.

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A beginner in this industry who is trying to bite off way more than he can chew is going to get hurt, killed, or wreck somebody else's day. I know this from my own personal ignorance and inexperience when I was getting started. I wrecked stuff. I've been badly injured; ( wrist, pelvis, 3 vertebrae, numerous stitches). Getting killed could have happened many times, so very easily.

Mr. Greene, if you read this, please get a copy of the TreeClimber's Companion. It is not expensive, and it is something I go back to every once in awhile, cause it is chock full of good info.
I sincerely hope things go well for you, and you do not get badly hurt.
I once was where you are at. When I started climbing, I had no mentor, no teacher, no Internet, nada. First "tree" book I ever got was On Rope. It remains one of my favourites. I learned the hard way, but you do have better options and access to excellent resources available.
 
J. Greene,

RickyTree is part of this forum now. Part of the family and I'm glad he stayed.

Check out how smooth he came to join us.....
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Old thread from 2011 I think...
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=296443&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Small problem was no hard hat in his video.

Bigger problem I had, was butt hitching with almost no run cause he had no room with the long piece he choose.

But..... he didn't ask what else was wrong, I was going to discuss it, but the thread got locked up.

Many have been through this, hang in there and don't wuss out.

I'm going to try to go back to 2003 or so and see where sawdust gave me a hard time on a cabling job I did.
 
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A beginner in this industry who is trying to bite off way more than he can chew is going to get hurt, killed, or wreck somebody else's day. I know this from my own personal ignorance and inexperience when I was getting started. I wrecked stuff. I've been badly injured; ( wrist, pelvis, 3 vertebrae, numerous stitches). Getting killed could have happened many times, so very easily.

Mr. Greene, if you read this, please get a copy of the TreeClimber's Companion. It is not expensive, and it is something I go back to every once in awhile, cause it is chock full of good info.
I sincerely hope things go well for you, and you do not get badly hurt.
I once was where you are at. When I started climbing, I had no mentor, no teacher, no Internet, nada. First "tree" book I ever got was On Rope. It remains one of my favourites. I learned the hard way, but you do have better options and access to excellent resources available.

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Great post.
 
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