Tree removal help

I guess it's in most people's nature to find a flaw and make a huge deal out of it to make themselves feel better. I AM going to find the answers I need to do every aspect of what I am doing safely, critics or no critics. I managed to drop the second 80 foot tree today and much more safely then the the elm tree. Only parialy due to the advice given in this tread. After three pages one might think a complete answer might have been given but hey I won't judge anyone here its fine. Thanks to a site called climbingarborist I stumbled across while waiting and hoping someone on here might help me. I actually learned something and made my job safer. Never once saw the words butt hitching or rolling bowline in this thread thats for sure. Heck they even had a video on how to set it up proper! If you guys are so bent on keeping people safe. How bout providing sound advice. to somone who clearly needed it. Thanks climbingarborist and whoever it was that said a 3100 lb line inadequate. Those two things helped soo much! As far as I'm concerned this thread is done! Anyone else chimes in is just taking punches. Anyone capable of the things you guys do everyday honestly shouldn't feel the need. You have plenty to be proad of and shouldn't need that type of boost. Save that for the guys that work at mcdonals.
 
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Johan,

The answers you want are called directional notch, butt hitch, arborist block, running bowline, half hitch, and portawrap. But unless you know what every single one of these things is and how to use them, you shouldn't be in the bucket.



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I guess you missed this part of a post by bucknut back on the second page. Oh, wait, he said running bowline, not rolling bowline. My bad! However, butt hitch is in there.
 
I feel so bad bout bein so harsh on such a precious guy like Johan...farewell cruel world!

jomoco
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You should tie a clove hitch to your buckets upper boom and then a rolling bowline to the limb to be cut. Make sure there is enough slack so it will clear the bucket when it drops. Then you could put the limb anywhere you want.
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I guess it's in most people's nature to find a flaw and make a huge deal out of it to make themselves feel better.

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Uhhh this is a bit ironic isn't it? You're the one pissin' and moanin' because Mommy and Daddy didn't answer the question how you wanted them to. Your question was answered straight away and the answer to your question is........
GET SOME PROFESSIONAL TRAINING.
 
I think the reason you've not found a clear answer to the questions you've asked is because you're asking the wrong questions and everyone has been fixated on that. Everyone here with experience can see that what you plan to do is just a plain bad idea and no amount of proper technique or equipment can help with that. If you had a bit of humility you might have thought to ask what a better way might be rather than just how to facilitate your bad plan. Unfortunately that would be far too complicated (and irresponsible) to explain in this venue. If you can't see beyond the reach of your 40' boom and understand the limitations it restricts you to then you're in trouble. The dangerous part isn't what you intend to do, it's that you don't 'understand' how dangerous it could be and that there are infinite safer possibilities. Surfing the net is no substitute for proper training where real world physical variables are concerned. It's no insult that we're all saying this because we've ALL taken some.
 
Jgreene, what about those pics in the gallery on your website? Based on how you are representing yourself it sure seems like you already know how to do it. By the way, I'm pretty sure you have a pic of at least one Treebuzzer on YOUR website. You might want to pull those pics before someone gets real mad.
 
Oh Oh this is really getting interesting, just got caught up on things and this is looking full of twists and turns, carry on......
 
Just for the record I'd like to say that I decided not to participate in this discussion because I learned a valuable lesson from Mr. Greene's previous one.
 
After my last post. I thought just maybe. Just maybe ones would leave well enough alone. My next question might be how can someone like Ginko, Banjo and, Murph be so ignorant yet know so much that I do not.

Interesting really but im fairly certain my previous post explained this phenomena. Comment till your content, your only proving my point a better man would walk away.

Myself included...
 
@ pelorus dont worry. In my ventrue to gain knowledge one thing I realize is there are far easier ways to gain insight into what im trying to accomplish then asking a bunch of tree nerds. I have no intention on posting here again.
 
Tree nerds? You just crossed a line. I was all set to give you some advice but this nerd isn't sharing. Typical Virginian.
 
He meant Pferds, real sharp Pferds.

It's just that his spelling ain't no better than his rigging skills..

jomoco
 
I find your questions very thought provoking, Mr. Greene, so I hope you continue to post here.
You might consider trying the commercial forum on arboristsite as well, because the tree guys over there would be sure to offer you some pointers.
 
Dave, the picture you were using was a creative commons liscense IIRC... That means you CAN use it.


JGreen, Just attach a pulley below where you want to cut, you can use regular knots, but at least more than 4. put your rigging line through the pulley, tie it to the branch, if use 5 wraps around, really tight, and then tie a bunch (5) regular knots it should be fine. Hold the line slack while you cut a triangle into the wood with your other hand. go down to the ground, take the rope thats through the pulley and wrap it around the tree 10 times. Go up, cut towards your notch or triangle in the way you want the tree to fall, and angled cut works best. After it falls the rope will catch it. go down to the ground and slowloy un-wrap the line untill it starts to come down. let it down, cut it up and collect the check.

3100 pounds is a lot of wood.. dont let the other guys fool you.

Good Luck!
 
Hmmmm the plot thickens....there is something very fishy about this whole thread....might have thought it was April 1st but we ain't there yet....
 
Nick, should the angle cut go upwards towards the triangle, or down?
Is a steep angle better to allow the top to hinge slowly?
 
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Nick, should the angle cut go upwards towards the triangle, or down?
Is a steep angle better to allow the top to hinge slowly?

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The angle makes it go a certain way.. I should have posted this video originally but I totally forgot about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVZkGYKcysA

Its Bob Villa so you know its good info. When you do it in the tree it is the same thing but since you have to hold the rope out of the way you do it with one hand.
 
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