Trango cinch

I thought I would share my experiences so far with the Trango cinch. I bought it, maybe 5-6 weeks ago, so as not to have to descend on my hitch and thus save some wear and tear/glazing of my hitch cord.

It’s very light and very easy to get on/off the line. I had it hooked onto my saddle until I was ready to descend. There is a hole for attaching a carabiner. With the carabiner attached the gate is prevented from opening. Thus, it has to be removed from the cinch in order to open the gate for inserting/removing the climbing line. When attached, the cinch causes a slight bend in the climbing line, similar to a gri-gri, but not as sharp. According to Trango, it work on lines from 9.4mm to 11mm and weighs 6.0 oz (170 g).

Anyway, I was finally able to try it out for the first time yesterday. I’ve had it on my saddle all this time, but just kept forgetting to attach it before descending.

I was taking down some limbs on an oak and wanted to move my climbing line to another crotch. I had to untie my hitch to do this and noticed the cinch on my saddle saying, “Try me, try me!” Since I wasn’t planning on going any higher, after re-routing my line, I attached the cinch instead of retying my hitch.

Actually, I remained up in the tree for probably another hour. At that point, I was using the cinch solely as an adjuster to take up or increase slack in my climbing line, as I made my cuts. Pull the climbing line up (like tending a hitch), then either take up slack or allow line to feed through the cinch. Release the line, lean back, and it grabs. It grabs quick and well as soon as any weight is applied. You could also use the handle on the cinch to adjust slack, but, in that case, it’s a two handed operation.

Final descent from the tree was smooth, smoother and more controllable than any hitch I’ve used so far. When descending, if you let go of the handle, you stop. While holding the handle, as per the instructions, and pulling, speed of descent can be easily adjusted. Now, this is the first time I’ve used a descender, so I’m no expert on technique, but I could adjust my speed of descent very easily and without a lot of jerkiness.

Once on the ground, I immediately disconnected the cinch and felt for excessive heat in the case and especially where the climbing line feeds through the device. It felt slightly warmer than body temp. I was especially interested in the heat aspect because when I’ve descended using a hitch (Knut or Vt) and the Ultra Tech cord, I could feel the cord get very HOT (through my gloves) before I would even reach the ground. Also, I purposely descended at a faster rate than I normally would just to further test this point.

To say that I was very pleased would be a big understatement… I was extremely impressed.

Jim
 

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thats wild you know im going to oregon!

i just realized though...i dont have 11mm line so i guess i wont research anymore...oh well..that fly isnt that expensive!
 
Nick, based on my conversations with them, they don't seem to be a big outfit. I figure they knew exactly what they were doing. Someone walking into their store wouldn't accept that, but it's a my-word-against-their-word thing now. The only reason I mentioned it was because jasoncraig asked. Every time I've done a search for 'Trango cinch' there site has popped right up, so I wanted to make and point him to a reputable place and make sure he avoided them. I've been blessed in that that was my first bad Internet shopping experience.

Jim
 
I read about your trip in your 'Going to Oregon' thread. I had the same problem in that I had been using 1/2" line (ArborMaster). I didn't really pay attention to line size until it arrived. Sure enough, 11mm max. I decided to buy some 11mm so I could try the cinch and use my ArborMaster as as bull line. I am soooooo glad I did.

I used the cinch again yesterday. Same situation as earlier in the week, needed to reposition my line several times. When I got up where I wanted to be I attached the cinch, removed my hitch, and went to work. I could lower myself so slowly that you wouldn't think I was moving, or do a smooth, rapid descent. I really like that it doesn't heat up; gets warm not hot.

I tell you Christmas came early for me this year: new KMIII max 11mm climbing line, Trango cinch, and my currently favorite hitch - the Knute. I'm a happy guy /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif .
 
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If the Cinch works as a hitch replacement while you're in the tree why don't you use it all of the time? Can you tail the slack through easily?

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Tom, actually, that's what I want to try next. In all honesty, it was my wife's suggestion. So far, I've only used it after already beng up in the tree, and it works great. Whle on a limb, adjusting my climbing line with the cinch is as easy as with the Vt or Knut; easier than adjusting my lanyard with the microcender.

On my next climb climb, I'm going to try ascending with the cinch. Since I'm using the pantin and since the bend in the line running through the cinch is not that severe, I'm hoping the pantin will tail the slack through the cinch. Again, I'm using SRT.

If that works, I'll have to give it a try DdRT. Of course, I could still use the pantin, but body-thrusting might be a bit more challenging. The problem there would be how well one can tend the slack manually. I don't think it will self-tend, even with a fair amount of line underneath it, but it's possible. With the 11mm KMIII max I'm using, the cinch will stay where I put it on my line before attaching it to my saddle. However, manually, it can be moved easily. In my situation, since my cinch is attached via carabiner to my saddle, I'd have to reach down and grab my line. It might work with a tether of some sort, so that the cinch is higher and can be pushed upward, but I really don’t like my hitches (or cinches) too far above me. We’ll see.

Jim
 
The knut is my new favorite hitch too. i like it close like you too. i use a pantin and a hand ascender to move up and man i can get moving when the rythm is right.

question...the knut works well with your srt set up? all alone with all your weight?
 
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...all alone with all your weight?

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Ouch, I'm crushed... /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I haven’t had any problems at all. The Knut, and the Vt which I've used several times, move very well up my climbing line, both with the ArbortMaster and the KM III max, using my Ultra Tech cord. I do prefer the way the Knut grabs, and grabs quickly, a very easy hitch to work with. With SRT, you do loose the MA of the DdRT.

Which ascender are you using? I can see where a handled ascender could a big help. When I started using SRT back in January, I had no problems with my back or legs muscles, but my forearms would get that lactic acid burn on the way up. Once up, I was fine.
 
Jim,

I've got a couple of handled ascenders. None really has a great handle configuration. Something that I've found when ascending is to keep the upper ascender a bit lower. If you keep the bottom of your lower hand at about forehead level you'll put less strain on your wrists and forearms. This will shorten your bight a little but it save wear and tear on your body.

Take a look at the lanyard on this setup. The little disk is a piece of Delrin that I made up. It clamps onto the rope and gives my hand a platform to rest on. This eliminates a lot of the grip that I need to use on the rope. The beauty of this setup is that it's backed up and very compact.
 

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This is my current setup. The buckle on the blue webbing allows me to adjust the length. The buckle becomes the shelf that my hand rests on.
 

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im really just using a petzl hand ascender to assist in the climb. before i was just gripping the rope as i went up, with the knut right at my belt, and a pantin of course.
 
The upper is pushed in the same fashion as a handled ascender or ascending loop. If I get to a point that I climb the tree I grab the rope under the Rocker and pull it up. That tails the slack out and the Rocker grabs. This is the best of both worlds I think.
 
Nice setup, Tom. On your second attachment, I'm guessing that the top ascender is a Petzl microsender? Since you mentioned 'rocker' in you post to jasoncraig, I'm guessing the bottom one is the Yate's rocker? Am I close? If my guesses are correct, I would only be missing the rocker, and I could give your system a try.

The rocker attaches directly to your saddle? Do you use any foot straps. pantin, or just footlock?

Have you seen the Yates Rescue Rocker (attached)? It looks like it would/could perform similar to the Trango cinch. What do you think?

I'm sure jasoncraig would agree with me in that we're are getting some great ideas.

Thanks,
Jim
 

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The upper is a Microcender. Good eyes :)

The lower is an ISC Rocker. ISC makes them for Yates. The one that I have is a little different than the one in your attachment. It doesn't have the eye on the long tab. It does have the toothed plate that flips over to lock the Rocker.

The attachment is a pic of the Rocker and the biner with my mods. To keep the biner from flipping and cross loading I added a piece of metal on the side. The metal is the u-shaped slotted metal for hanging shelving. The top tab is padded with a piece of plastic tubing.

Depending on the ascent I'll footlock, Pantin or use the GLeasy bar. If I use the G-bar I get to my TIP and then clip the G-bar onto my rope and speedline it down to my groundie.
 

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Yeah this is great stuff!

Ok, my next question... Once you're at your TIP, do you keep the same system? Doenst that make it difficult to move around alot (up and down is what im thinking mostly). I see how the cinch could work like my knut, but what about the two ascenders..what do you do when you get to the top?

I hope those werent dumb questions.
 
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I was taking down some limbs on an oak and wanted to move my climbing line to another crotch. I had to untie my hitch to do this and

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Don't you have a cambium saver you can retrieve enabling you to re-route your line keeping your hitch intact?
 

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