Topping video

Great job, Melissa! Must be nice to kick back and watch those royalty checks roll in...
But next time we hope that working arborists can help develop the script.

"Its right in the study guide.. pg 120. trees do not respond quite as well to this type of pruning(reduction) because they cannot readily compartmentalize the wound... " That's the myth that keeps on mything; lots of rotting trunks as proof.

"...I've yet to come across any industry association (including the IT industry which I worked in) that didn't move slowly and with caution where there were major players who seemingly held it back. Hmmm, not much different than the rest of society, led kicking and screaming into the future."

Good point th, but why do they have to kick and scream so hard and so long?
 
Thank you Melissa for everything you did on this video. I really appreciate the message! Both you and Mark are doing a great service to tree care by getting this message out to the public. In my area there isn't just one topped tree on the way to the park...almost all of the trees on the way to and the trees at the park have been topped. I exaggerate, but just a little. It was nice to end with the bit about hiring an arborist, but I specifically liked the emphasis on "topping is bad and ugly"

Even with all the discussion on reduction...I still think this video is great just the way it is. The homeowner is going to get what they need out of this video, without the step by step instructions on how to properly prune their tree.

I think some of us have issue with the reduction statement, but this video is not the culprit.

Melissa, maybe you can answer this question - in the video it says. "cuts made along a limb between side branches creates stubs with wounds that the tree may not be able to close" What is 'between side branches' implying? Is this referring to a reduction cut?

pg 120. "trees do not respond quite as well to this type of pruning(reduction) because they cannot readily compartmentalize the wound." - Is it true that the tree does not seal these wounds as well as at the parent branch or trunk?

It also says, "When possible, it is best to avoid large cuts of this type."

If it is true that they don't seal as well than this all makes sense doesn't it?
 
As critical as I can be of the ISA, I do support the organization and encourage membership and participation. There is nothing wrong with robust criticism of such organizations. Its actually healthy, keeps them honest and encourages debate. On that note, IMO the failure to include the distinction between topping and reduction pruning was a blunder.

I have some great footage of storm damage on trees that I had pruned within the week (before Sandy). One particular walnut got trashed. I told the homeowner it was going to happen, but he said he only wanted the limbs over the apple reduced.. Sure enough the reduced limbs were fine in stark contrast to the rest of the tree. Fresh cuts vs splintered wood!

Also now great footage of the many pruned trees that survived well in the recent ice storm and conversely many neglected trees that were trashed..

I could make a great vid, that both homeowners and pro arbs could easily understand, on almost no budget. Just need the time and the inclination. Pulled another all nighter plowing last night. just getting home now.
 
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"Its right in the study guide.. pg 120. trees do not respond quite as well to this type of pruning(reduction) because they cannot readily compartmentalize the wound... " That's the myth that keeps on mything; lots of rotting trunks as proof.


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Guy, no offence meant here, but it seems to me that you are talking outta both sides of your mouth. Playing both sides. You are condemning a practice that can lead to "rotting trunks", yet you did a seminar at Expo on preserving hollow trees (?). Your signature line mentions something about trees accomodating fungi inexorably / indefinitely, or something or other. And this from your veteran tree thread:


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Actually that was a Gilman quote; I'm only s reporter, and you remembered accurately.. “In Sweden, 600 to 800 year old trees have been reduced for hundreds of years.
4 or 5 foot trunks-some even larger - with 4 inches shell wall.
We remove too many trees and prune too few!“

And the quote from 2010 Biomechanics Week. Dr. Ed Gilman: “We looked at one 10” planetree with a large hole or ‘defect’, and figured it would break straight away from the four-ton winch.

Another 10” planetree had no visible ‘defects’, so we figured the trunk would hold strong, and that tree would uproot instead.

But the exact opposite happened!

We know next to nothing about tree biomechanics.”

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Trees accommodate fungi, inexorably and indefinitely, indicating immortality.

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Pel, where's the contradiction in managing hollow trees, and also not wanting to see more hollow trees created? Sheesh. this derail is done.
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I agree. The derail is a fait accompli.
The conundrum here that I see is that hollow trees are not an issue. (going by your posts). Topping is a problem. Stihl / ISA make an excellent informative video about topping, and you get all stink eye that hollow trees may result! Just my perspective, Guy.

Looking forward to future videos, Mark!
Sorry I'm not likely gonna see you at the Ontario ISA shindig at Deerhurst (my backyard)
 
Planning to be back for a return visit in December 2015 Tony. Will call!
The Shady Maple restaurant lures me like a moth drawn to a flame.
And, "That Fish Place" on Centerville Rd. is purely awesome.
Your Lancaster topped trees are less awesome. Horrid.
 
Pelorus,

Please do! Way better places to eat than the Taj Mahal that, is shady maple. I remember when the whole palce was just a ice cream stand and tiny grocery mart.

Unfortunatly the Amish and some of the Mennonite sects seem to think all trees will eventually need to be topped! It is almost a cultural thing and they resist change even more than most.

Plenty of good trees and tree work here too however! But I agree, the amount of topping is shocking and groups of people, without electricity or television will never see any video no matter the message!

Tony
 
Setting all books aside and looking at a tree as a living organism - one might conclude after observing it over the years that it is a survivor. Not knowing the biology or defense mechanisms of this tree the observer could still deduce that it has the capability to recover from the loss of a limb no matter where it is attached. Furthermore, that the tree recovers from smaller wounds more readily than larger ones. Transferring this to pruning circumstances it would seem to suggest that the preferred cut would be the smaller cut.

Picking up that book now, it tells us that the cuts at the trunk are preferred…(I don’t think I need to explain that these are, more often then not, larger diameter cuts.) It makes sense that the science points to these cuts reacting faster as they are on the super-highway of flow and the further out the smaller and more remote you get. What needs to be clear is that just because a cut reacts quicker does not mean it will s(h)eal quicker. Take to two identical trees and cut a particular branch off at the trunk on tree ‘A’ and make a reduction cut on tree ‘B’ same respective branch…Come back a few years later and the reduction cut will have seals before the thinning cut at the trunk.

Now the big factor in all of this is that we are dealing with human needs when pruning a tree. Like an orchard tree is pruned severely to produce a certain outcome for human needs, it’s not what is best for the tree. A tree is aesthetically pruned for the beauty of the landscape, but the aesthetics usually comes down to thinning cuts, whereas structure and safety are advantages of reduction cuts. Each tree needs its own considerations, each species react in different ways. We cannot simply have a single statement in a book provide the necessary instructions for pruning all the varieties of trees. An oak is pruned very differently than lets say an arborvitae. You might top an arborvitae, but would not consider it wise to top an oak or beech for that matter.

Explaining this in the Study Guide is advisable and I think they do to a degree, but trying to explain this in a video that is less than 3 min. and intended for the homeowner is less important. The homeowner will get that topping is bad from this video, but they will not get the specifics. They will see if they don’t understand how to prune their tree they should get a trained arborist to make the right cuts – With a STIHL chainsaw, and clean up with a STIHL blower, and they must be wearing a STIHL hard hat.

What I’m saying, and I understand where you all are coming from, is that this video is sweet! It has its faults, which even Melissa and Mark have both admitted, but the really important message of not topping your tree comes through and is well explained. I agree that we need to be clear in our industry of this crucial point that has been brought up. Thank you for reading through this all. I am just sharing my thoughts and I can understand if you think I should not have, but what is Tree Buzz for if not to discuss these points until we all understand where the other is coming from. I don’t even know which side I’m on.


And Tony, RIGHT ON ->
“Plenty of good trees and tree work here too however! But I agree, the amount of topping is shocking and groups of people, without electricity or television will never see any video no matter the message!”
 

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