This is the Akimbo

Worthaug said:
Tachyon also gives me no problem either but I certainly prefer to minimize the amount of it in the system. I would never base tie with Tachyon, that would be a serious waste of energy. It's great rope for removals and canopy anchors. Yale 11.7's has much less elongation but still enough to not shock load a climber or a TIP. Tachyon has a nylon core, nylon had a lot more elongation under load than polyester. Nylon cores are mandatory for CE ropes for dynamic properties, but Poison Ivy meets CE standards for elongation but won't be approved until CE lets go of the nylon core hang up.


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From memory, Yale's 16 strand XTC is 100% polyester and this has EN1891 type A certification.
 
swingdude said:
PI and calamine in the UK and europe have the yellow tracer...it is basically tachyon...nylon core bouncy as fuck....it is CE rated....not like the US sweet as fuck polyester core...no bounce to the ounce...FUCK BOUNCE....
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It makes me laugh that SRT trunk anchor enthusiasts wax lyrical about static over shock absorbing ropes and then go on to set re-direct after re-direct effectively turning the systems dynamism into a rock climbing style affair.
We are still dictated by DdRT system thinking in regards what a rope should be constructed like, length and material.....and that sucks ass.
 
SoftBankHawks said:
It makes me laugh that SRT trunk anchor enthusiasts wax lyrical about static over shock absorbing ropes and then go on to set re-direct after re-direct effectively turning the systems dynamism into a rock climbing style affair.
We are still dictated by DdRT system thinking in regards what a rope should be constructed like, length and material.....and that sucks ass.
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In rock climbing and tree climbing and other high angle endevours in my life my motto is .... Don't fall!


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JMerritt said:
^this ^
but dont start holding your breath yet, still a lot of steps between here and there. man, i will be so, so relieved when these things are finally ready.
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I honestly forgot about it until I saw this thread , hopefully its all good to go when its ready
 
I used to love very static rope during ascending. Still do for foot locking. But when I climbed the giant redwood on a TV show I let the host use my static rope and for safety purposes installed the second line alongside it. That line was over 200 feet in the air and was tachyon. What I learned that day is there's no reason to fear the bounce. I shot up that tree so fast because I went in rhythm with a bounce. Think about it give it a try.
 
Mark Chisholm said:
I used to love very static rope during ascending. Still do for foot locking. But when I climbed the giant redwood on a TV show I let the host use my static rope and for safety purposes installed the second line alongside it. That line was over 200 feet in the air and was tachyon. What I learned that day is there's no reason to fear the bounce. I shot up that tree so fast because I went in rhythm with a bounce. Think about it give it a try.
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Mark, there is a little video on Youtube of you footlocking that was inspiring to me as I am a self taught footlocker but I wonder about peak loadings within and without the bounce. I'm sure you are in complete control of this with your amazing skill though surely it makes a difference? Just for the record I use Tachyon for SRT and DdRT but love the precise work positioning of my very static TRT system.
 
SoftBankHawks said:
Mark, there is a little video on Youtube of you footlocking that was inspiring to me as I am a self taught footlocker but I wonder about peak loadings within and without the bounce. I'm sure you are in complete control of this with your amazing skill though surely it makes a difference? Just for the record I use Tachyon for SRT and DdRT but love the precise work positioning of my very static TRT system.
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Paul, your footlock is sweet, bra!
 
I have probably climbed on More tachyon than any other one besides poison ivy. They used to give out rolls of it at the comps. I always wished they would give out the poison ivy. Tachyon to fat and stretchy. Kernmaster and km3, to skinny. They don't have a 12mm kern, only a 13mm Kernmaster. Poison ivy is just right. The more stretch in the rope, the more movement at the redirects as well, potentially more chafe. I ascend on my double ropes with two ascender method. This is much easier with more static ropes. Either way, I will climb on tachyon all day, I just prefer poison ivy. This may just in the end be another husky vs stihl thread. Wait this is not a rope thread anyway.
 
treebing said:
I have probably climbed on More tachyon than any other one besides poison ivy. They used to give out rolls of it at the comps. I always wished they would give out the poison ivy. Tachyon to fat and stretchy. Kernmaster and km3, to skinny. They don't have a 12mm kern, only a 13mm Kernmaster. Poison ivy is just right. The more stretch in the rope, the more movement at the redirects as well, potentially more chafe. I ascend on my double ropes with two ascender method. This is much easier with more static ropes. Either way, I will climb on tachyon all day, I just prefer poison ivy. This may just in the end be another husky vs stihl thread. Wait this is not a rope thread anyway.
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Stihl all the way... oh wait. This IS the Akimbo thread! I am sorry I started the tangent on ropes, but I did say Akimbo in my post so technically we were still good then, but I guess we are far from home now. We should not bother everyone waiting eagerly at their computers for any sign of activity on the Akimbo thread:reloco: in the hopes it is the announcement of the release date or shipping manifest or free give away opportunity.:sorprendido3:
 
treebing said:
Mountain bikes with suspension are great for riding on a mountain trail... but they suck to go fast on pavement. nothing worse than trying to ride a full suspension mountain bike down the road except trying to ride a racing bike down a single track. I prefer a more static rope for most of my climbing. Been playing around with a new prototype 11.7 Yale 48 strand cover. Basically kern master 11.7. very nice. I also like the Km3 max by teufelberger. a bit skinny but very nice. Tachyon is a great rope but it gets a little exhausting with the bounce and stretch for my taste. But rope can definitely be too static. my feeling with devices such as the RR, BDB, and Akimbo. The device takes the shock load out of the system and there is no need for a bouncy rope to protect your suspension point. The loaded put on the suspension point from simply climbing are not great enough to worry about or you need to select a better suspension point. In the case of a dynamic fall, the device will slip before high loads are placed on the suspension point. Thats just me. I can see that for some folks a little bit of bounce is nice. I usually end up with a bouncy system after a while due to the tree and the amount of redirects a regularly use.
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The device slips? That's kind of cool, and kind of worrisome. Do you know more about it from testing? Does this apply to all the mechanicals?
 
DSMc said:
Tachyon works very well with the Akimbo. Keep in mind, that if you have found it or other ropes too bouncy, it is not the rope that causes the bounce, it is your climbing style. When you switch to a more static rope that force is still there, but it is now being applied directly to your suspension point.
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I apologize for making a comment that caused a flurry of off-topic discussion. But even with its higher-than-currently-acceptable elasticity, Tachyon does work well in the Akimbo.

My comment on force was not about which rope you should use, but about understanding and paying attention to the forces that are connected with our work.
 
treebing said:
In the case of a dynamic fall, the device will slip before high loads are placed on the suspension point.
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colb said:
The device slips? That's kind of cool, and kind of worrisome. Do you know more about it from testing? Does this apply to all the mechanicals?
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Kevin can elaborate on this, but with all of the mechanicals, paired with the correct rope/diameter, there is no worry about it slipping and causing panic. The slip Kevin is referring to is the slow gradual stop after a drop, if the device didn't slide to a stop, in a fall scenario, the climber and the TIP would suffer from impact energy. This could do serious damage. Think about when you are rigging and "let it run" to absorb the load and not create a "sudden stop and a lot of shock" situation. So yeah, it is very cool that the device "slips" - Especially if you are on a more static line. On a fast descent with a mechanical you will notice how it has a "slow to stop" characteristic.
 
DSMc said:
I apologize for making a comment that caused a flurry of off-topic discussion. But even with its higher-than-currently-acceptable elasticity, Tachyon does work well in the Akimbo.

My comment on force was not about which rope you should use, but about understanding and paying attention to the forces that are connected with our work.
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Personally, I love "flurries of off-topic discussion". I would not wish for you to censor yourself from making posts that you feel driven to make, as I most certainly will learn something of value from it. Keep posting whatever pops into your head, I say. I have much to learn.

Tim
 
colb said:
The device slips? That's kind of cool, and kind of worrisome. Do you know more about it from testing? Does this apply to all the mechanicals?
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Yes the Akimbo will slip in a dynamic loading scenario. So will most other non toothed mechanicals. Toothed ascenders are designed to slip as well, but they are designed to tear the rope sheath in doing so. The advantage is that the device will absorb and mitigate a dynamic loading event. That's good for the climber and good for the tie in point.
 
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