TCIA WTF?

Reach said:
It seems to me that at a bare minimum, those who have posted on this forum should have to give consent for the things they post to be published elsewhere, especially by an association generating income from the content they are borrowing from this forum.
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Is there a terms of use, or user agreement on our accounts? It’s been sooo so long I don’t recall. Not that I think there should be but republication with out consent should be disclosed
This is exactly why I choose to avoid my name.
Then with the ND thread I 100% wouldn’t be posting or participating in any meaningful way if I considered I could be published in a industry mag, it’s enough of a risk to somewhat open in personal matters online. Double so when the neighbor hood pub opens the doors to put it on blast.
 
evo said:
Then with the ND thread I 100% wouldn’t be posting or participating in any meaningful way if I considered I could be published in a industry mag, it’s enough of a risk to somewhat open in personal matters online. Double so when the neighbor hood pub opens the doors to put it on blast.
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Exactly, that's why it feels gross to me. A lot of homies here saying personal stuff, just getting farmed. I could def see them putting out some hack article about ND pees in tree work:cry:
 
moss said:
My guess is that TreeBuzz owns the intellectual property (IP) on whatever is published on their platform. Would've been nice if TCIA contacted those quoted as a courtesy. These pieces are like Buzz Forum summaries around a given topic. In that way there is an AI feel. Interesting.

Probably not a good idea to write like a Google AI summary response to a question.
-AJ
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This definitely has an AI feel to me, and the "compiled by" at the beginning of each article makes me suspect that this really was written by a computer with a person telling the "intelligence" what they wanted from it.

For this and a number of other reasons, I may soon find myself looking for somewhere else to spend my time.
 
Reach said:
This definitely has an AI feel to me, and the "compiled by" at the beginning of each article makes me suspect that this really was written by a computer with a person telling the "intelligence" what they wanted from it.

For this and a number of other reasons, I may soon find myself looking for somewhere else to spend my time.
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That’s why I suspect AI too. The author at the top of the article is ‘TCIA Staff’
Other articles that don’t feel like a AI prompt summary have a real name in the same spot
 
evo said:
Is there a terms of use, or user agreement on our accounts? It’s been sooo so long I don’t recall. Not that I think there should be but republication with out consent should be disclosed
This is exactly why I choose to avoid my name.
Then with the ND thread I 100% wouldn’t be posting or participating in any meaningful way if I considered I could be published in a industry mag, it’s enough of a risk to somewhat open in personal matters online. Double so when the neighbor hood pub opens the doors to put it on blast.
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Same here, I keep my name out for a reason. However, these days of web searches, it is not difficult to track down who somebody is.

I am certainly not going to post anything personal on this forum, I have in the past but it's not going to happen again. I'm working on going through my old comments and posts and plan to delete many if not most of them.
 
This is why I've been deleting my shit for years, everyone just thought I was crazy, which I am, but still. Internet is weird. I even asked Mark to delete the article I submitted for TB years ago cuz it had my name a photo. He said no, I've been bitter ever since. Lesson learned.
 
Reach said:
Same here, I keep my name out for a reason. However, these days of web searches, it is not difficult to track down who somebody is.

I am certainly not going to post anything personal on this forum, I have in the past but it's not going to happen again. I'm working on going through my old comments and posts and plan to delete many if not most of them.
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I am probably going to do the same, and then delete my account. Possibly make a new one, maybe not.
 
Hope you guys don't go! You are too valuable to the community...both this Treebuzz community, but to the profession as a whole in what you share here.

I'm assuming the content posted here is owned by Tree Buzz. I'm OK with that...I kinda assume that is the case with any public forum owned by a private entity. Tom and Mark built something good here for all of us to share and learn. I'm assuming they are just trying to provide some mutual benefit to the site and to TCIA. IIRC, there was a thread about this TCIA partnership coming several months ago. I know I wasn't surprised when I started seeing the summaries in the magazine.

I do agree the articles do have an AI-ish feel to the summary. I also agree it is a little "creepy" to see something I said here published somewhere else. BUT, it is here for all to read anyhow. If I don't want somebody reading it, I wouldn't put it in a public forum. This place is a little different than some other social media sites that might require somebody to be a 'friend' or 'follower' to read content we post or where it is only open to subscribers. That is good because it is easy for people to find and connect. It is bad because there is no "gatekeeper" protecting what we say...but its always been that way.

I don't know that there are new users here because of those articles, are there? Maybe ownership will read this thread and do a cost/benefit consideration.
 
The writers of articles have to realise they are, at least traditionally, held to a higher standard than personal, often opinion, posters. Informal peer review is passing it by your staff and perhaps editor, if there is one. I presume tcia magazine has one. More consequential articles are subject to peer review by experts in the field. An AI-ish copy paste summary seems more like a school research report, like a student summarising a few materials they had to read. Having personal posts being treated this way is maybe off putting to participants, along with perhaps an inadequate feel for the context of the posts.

Maybe the experiment should be using post topics as jump off points (titles/topic suggestions?) to write genuine articles either as opinion pieces or as researched pieces or a combination. There could be use of surveys or interviews, traditional tools. Summarising posts seems like repeating a conversation you overheard at a local cafe. Researching the ideas you heard in that conversation and thus writing an article seems more appropriate.

IMO

just food fo thought
 
ATH said:
Hope you guys don't go! You are too valuable to the community...both this Treebuzz community, but to the profession as a whole in what you share here.

I'm assuming the content posted here is owned by Tree Buzz. I'm OK with that...I kinda assume that is the case with any public forum owned by a private entity. Tom and Mark built something good here for all of us to share and learn. I'm assuming they are just trying to provide some mutual benefit to the site and to TCIA. IIRC, there was a thread about this TCIA partnership coming several months ago. I know I wasn't surprised when I started seeing the summaries in the magazine.

I do agree the articles do have an AI-ish feel to the summary. I also agree it is a little "creepy" to see something I said here published somewhere else. BUT, it is here for all to read anyhow. If I don't want somebody reading it, I wouldn't put it in a public forum. This place is a little different than some other social media sites that might require somebody to be a 'friend' or 'follower' to read content we post or where it is only open to subscribers. That is good because it is easy for people to find and connect. It is bad because there is no "gatekeeper" protecting what we say...but its always been that way.

I don't know that there are new users here because of those articles, are there? Maybe ownership will read this thread and do a cost/benefit consideration.
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I have a list of reasons I am considering leaving, this is only one, but the list keeps getting longer and it is getting harder to stay.

I sure haven't seen any new users here lately, at least not any who seem to be engaged. In fact the opposite seems true to me, many long time, respected users have vanished and don't seem to have been replaced.
 
We need to come up with some framework for how we allow TCIA to interact with our posts and information on this site, at an individual level. I think the collaboration between entities could be really useful to the industry, but only if they let what made treebuzz unique proliferate. I.E. you've got to respect us.

@Tree Care Industry Assoc. I agree, it feels manipulative to come in, say you're going to "collaborate" with us, then you're not even going to have a conversation on the forum, just extract data.

You have to realize, most of us don't run extraction model companies. You're dealing with stewards of the trade. We LOVE what we do. That's what makes TB different. We're here because we choose to be. TCIA needs to make this collaborative, not use it for clout and content.

We've specifically mentioned this. TCIA came in, made a couple of decent posts, then chose to objectively wall off the conversation on the what's in your gear bag conversation.

Hell, TCIA, if you want to profit off our forum, then choose someone to be the writer or representative from the forum. Idk. This is the equivalent feel of a corporate takeover to our little corner of the internet.

As many had mentioned, there's more than just tree related information on here. What's next, a F*uckface article in TCIA?

What we're seeing is a lack of accountability from TCIA, as well as transparency from our own treebuzz leadership on what this is actually meaning for us, what's changing, and how we can contribute or be affected by it. That's completely unfair. As business leaders I'd expect better from the folks transitioning us into this chanting model.

I've purposely been sidelining myself on here because I haven't felt this change has been going well, and it does seem to be getting worse.

My 2©. Hope this improves.
 
Mick Dempsey! said:
Definitely run through Ai as I’m not in Ireland.
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You got the capitalization of the initials right on here. All caps ARTIFICIAL, small "i" intelligence.

I actually really hate the term Ai, because there is literally nothing intelligent about it. Ai is a buzzword that people latched onto, but all we are talking about is AA, Advanced Algorithms. Too bad people can't imagine AA as being good or useful, thanks to American Airlines and Alcoholics Anonymous
 
moss said:
That is genuinely weird! If I was you I’d dress like a leprechaun and go with the flow! (no actually).
AJ
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I do have strong connections to Ireland, but I’m wary of saying anything on here now.
You sort of know about this sort of thing, but assume it’s data theft in some way, but you don’t expect to be handed over on a plate.
 
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