Tapered Hinge: Diar(y)rhea of a thread gone wrong and left un-moderated

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Evo, personal apologies;
i didn't want to think so; but we both mentioned 2004 etc.
Kinda easy to think ya took a hit with so much stuff flying..
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Doug Dent was a childhood hero of mine. I had the privilege of meeting him, and also learned an awful lot from his books. I feel his books should be required reading for all aspiring tree-men.
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Timber-Falling-Book-Douglas/dp/B00455VB4A

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Am TRULY jealous; that skinny little book kicked my azz for sometime;
but i thought heard the purest bell tone of truth was calling from it so stayed at it!

 

[rico]

and here is the same cut after the fallView attachment 55423

Beautiful cut Daniel! See how fucking easy that was.

 

[Daniel]

nice cut. So what's your point?

I'm trying to show flying squirrel that there was no bypass in the locust hinge that he made notes on.. That what he mistook for a bypass in the face was really just a plate cut that was not fully cleaned out....

and yes Rico.. they are ALL easy... just some are easy and in your box and some are easy and outside your box...

 

[Daniel]

Here's a dead ash from yesterday. Slight front lean with one man pulling on 2:1 m.a. - natural crotch friction ... I like my hinges thicker than this usually. And back to the point of the thread slight taper was created to compensate for slightly missing the intended gun on the face cut.....

This one went perpendicular to the back cut rather than than the face, which is an interesting phenomenon with tapered hinge.. I've noticed red maples especially to almost always go with the back cut (rather than the front of the hinge) as .. others sometimes yes and sometimes no... haven't quite figured out the influencing factors...

 

[Daniel]

P.S.


Rico... I cut hinges that fit neatly into your box all the time, but I don't normally take pictures of them.. it's like watching another tree video.. "man cuts branch.. branch falls to ground"... what's the point???

I take pictures of ones that are outside the box...

 

[treebing]

I find dead ash holds its fibers amazingly well compared to other dead trees and even live ones. The roots are what can't be trusted.

 

[rico]

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and yes Rico.. they are ALL easy... just some are easy and in your box and some are easy and outside your box...

Its a shame you couldn't have just accepted my compliment. Instead you continue to act as if you are somehow operating on another level than most of us. We can't possible comprehend what you are doing, or the mind-blowing box you are living in, right? Fucking utter nonsense!

Despite what you might think Daniel, you haven't reinvented the wheel Daniel, or change the paradigm in sound falling practices. In reality what you have really done is leave a documented wake of really shitty, unsound cuts for the world to see. Way to go buddy!



Is the photo above the "Box" you are constantly referring to Daniel? If so, I'm gonna have to kindly pass, as it looks like a very dangerous dark world.

I guess this ignorant knuckle-dragger will continue living in a box build upon, and supported by over 150 yrs of masterful, work-class timber fallers and tree-men.. Thank you very much..

As someone who cares deeply, and takes great pride in what I do, I always strive to leave fundamentally sound stumps in my wake.

 

[Daniel]

I AM immune to both your compliments and your criticism...

I don't need you to tell me I made a nice cut...

 

[evo]

Well there you have it. No point discussing this further, keep meditating on that mantra

 

[CanadianStan]

Do you fine felling folk have any other suggestions on readable felling material?

I noticed a mention of “Professional Timber Falling” by Mr. Douglas Dent which I’m looking into.

What other books would you consider essential for tree felling ?

 

[rico]

Do you fine felling folk have any other suggestions on readable felling material?

I noticed a mention of “Professional Timber Falling” by Mr. Douglas Dent which I’m looking into.

What other books would you consider essential for tree felling ?

Dougs book is the only good one I have personally read. Just like generations before me, I did it the old fashioned way. Earn while you learn... Obviousy the best way is to work with a kickass faller for a season or 2, which means you are actually in the woods, banging out a few million board feet a year. Nothing like it!

 

[evo]

Do you fine felling folk have any other suggestions on readable felling material?

I noticed a mention of “Professional Timber Falling” by Mr. Douglas Dent which I’m looking into.

What other books would you consider essential for tree felling ?

Barneck (sp) has some good stuff. However there is no substitute for getting some time in with a good feller

 

[CanadianStan]

Dougs book is the only good one I have personally read. Just like generations before me, I did it the old fashioned way. Earn while you learn... Obviousy the best way is to work with a kickass faller for a season or 2, which means you are actually in the woods, banging out a few million board feet a year. Nothing like it!

Getting the certificate to become an apprentice faller here in BC is around $10k. If anyone has better local knowledge HMU

Can’t work in the woods without this certification

 

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1 man chainsaw pretty much started in 50's
Dent and Beranek first on scene and then writing in 60's-70's as most/first experienced pioneers, who's works also still stand!
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i personally consider Dent to be definitive text on hinging. Still in total unsurpassed in hinging.
Would read 4x, and really get head into consistency of hinging diagrams,not just read pages; before looking elsewhere.
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https://www.educatedclimber.com/beranek-fundamentals/
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Well actually there aren't too many elsewheres, and much of that is free!
OSHA, EU etc. have some fair google able manuals for safety etc.
You totally need to get read, re-read Dent....
The theories work so well, have turned them sideways in tree and re-proven
>>on ground North might be target, NE as sideLean
>>in tree sideways sweep might be target, then use ground as sideLean quotient in Dent's lil'drawings. Tapered Hinge, Dutchman etc. play out as he describes PERFECTLY.
Even in smaller scale, sideways, or crane lifts of branches etc. Dent can show that the same force patterns, loadings and controls persist in the same wood materials etc.! Bucking too, but he shows some of that.
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This is another Flash file looking to convert to vid for youTube.
>>might have to add Flash in browser, try different browser,download and play thru Flash player etc.to see if interested. Flash is going away more and more every day back to origianl use for movies, not commands for buttons etc.
http://mytreelessons.com/rl/content/Hinging-Full.swf

 

[rico]

Getting the certificate to become an apprentice faller here in BC is around $10k. If anyone has better local knowledge HMU

Can’t work in the woods without this certification

Sure glad it wasn't like that when I was coming up. A young man started working in the woods by pulling wire and setting chokers. You then moved onward and upward, bucking logs, learning to fall, climbing and rigging trees, operating equipment, working with and being groomed to tend hook, etc. Your "certificate" was your skillset and your experience, and you certainly didn't pay $10k for the honor of working hard and learning.

 

[flyingsquirrel25]

I don't need you to tell me I made a nice cut...

Then why keep arguing it!

Do you fine felling folk have any other suggestions on readable felling material?
I noticed a mention of “Professional Timber Falling” by Mr. Douglas Dent which I’m looking into.
What other books would you consider essential for tree felling ?

Beranek for sure. I busted out my copy of high climbers and timber fallers this morning, just to see how old this “plate cut” really was. It’s really cool looking at those pictures from back when men were really men!
To fell a tree, J. jepsom (sp). I don’t own a copy but I hear it’s very good.
As Rico mentioned spending time in the woods is HUGE. You wouldn’t think logging would teach you much, let them fall anywhere right, it’s just woods. It’s actually an art to fell in the woods for the current cut and for future generations. (I’m not talking about this highly mechanized logging either).
And that is OUTRAGEOUS 10k to be able to be an apprentice feller. I got payed to learn, next to some old salty dawgs and some younger guys that wanted to learn and more importantly WORK. Of course I’m still learning every day though.

 

[rico]

"To Fell a Tree". Browsed through it a few years back, and remember it being a very good book on the subject.

Obviously anything by Mr B. is gonna be an invaluable resource.

 

[rico]

I AM immune to both your compliments and your criticism...

I don't need you to tell me I made a nice cut...

To be honest Daniel, I stopped giving a shit about what you think a while ago. This is about making it crystal clear to youngsters, or anyone that will listen, that what your selling is No de Mierda Bueno!

 

[evo]

To be honest Daniel, I stopped giving a shit about what you think a while ago. This is about making it crystal clear to youngsters, or anyone that will listen, that what your selling is No de Mierda Bueno!

exactly my point too!

 

[Daniel]

$1,000 cut

Nasty tree, already had taken out the power lines and broken the pole... wires were touching back of the tree, about 4' off the ground... electric company refused to touch tree....

Second job of the day... looked at it around 2 pm... on the ground by 3:30...

Drop top and walk. $1,000

Remove remaining tree another $2,500

Saved the client a ton of cash

Rico, do you think I cared how the stump (45' tall) looked?