Tapered Hinge: Diar(y)rhea of a thread gone wrong and left un-moderated

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Brian55 said:
Not intending to troll. I've been lurking for tree related stuff for a while now. This whole thing took a political turn at Evo's race baiting comment. Then you sealed the deal with me feeling the need to chime in with your admission that you left another forum based on racism and homophobia. Two things I'm completely against, and have no use for, so I'm not sure why I'd be painted as a troll.
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Wow this Devolved quickly. See what I did there Evo - dEVOlved. Cute huh? Just give it time, after a while Danny will sound just like another self proclaimed expert white dude. Not saying all white dudes need to seek validation, but there is a pattern of taking space and blabbing. For a example look at or prez, not to hurt his feelings, we all need to rake better to combat Californian’s.

Now this certainly has struck a cord for you. Perhaps your feeling a little sensitive about the subject of whiteness and certainly space taking privileges.

Perhaps Danny is mixed or just white passing, this can come with certain privileges. So my bad if he’s from some other heritage.

It isn’t political, or a liberal thing for me and those who I hold close. Sounds like you can break it down and put it in that box, which certainly is telling of your perspective.

Talking about boxes, that reminds me of my super duper square cut I make sometimes. I used it today along with my triangle back cut. I even used my patented full circle cut! All one the same tree.

All of which were done with my gutless 150 in a previously topped spruce which may or may not have been uprooting. In and out in a hour and a half, and walked with $675.

Afterward I used my other cut that I don’t have a name for yet. 200’ down a 70 degree bluff at high tides. The drift wood was pounding the toe of the bluff as I back cut straight through ivy. It was epic, I cut straight through it and it stayed right there! Perhaps I should call it the invisible cut. Done in another 2.5 hours and 9 trees liberated by the green devil.

I’d give you all the details of my magic cuts, but since you all are so far beneath me I won’t waste my breath.

Home by 1:30 and I made my daily nut, carried my kids around and kissed on my wife. Obviously I have such superior skills to do such amazing feats. Next up I will flop a 50’ top on a garage, the clients don’t care, they have a bike, should see the bill on that one it’s goong to be cheap, saving them thousands from the ones who would take the time avoiding damages, using passé techniques.

Amerika first! (Kinda like earth first, but we only give a damn about us, the err white American class, err send em all home, wall the boarders they are criminals!)
 
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evo said:
Wow this Devolved quickly. See what I did there Evo - dEVOlved. Cute huh? Just give it time, after a while Danny will sound just like another self proclaimed expert white dude. Not saying all white dudes need to seek validation, but there is a pattern of taking space and blabbing. For a example look at or prez, not to hurt his feelings, we all need to rake better to combat Californian’s.

Now this certainly has struck a cord for you. Perhaps your feeling a little sensitive about the subject of whiteness and certainly space taking privileges.

Perhaps Danny is mixed or just white passing, this can come with certain privileges. So my bad if he’s from some other heritage.

It isn’t political, or a liberal thing for me and those who I hold close. Sounds like you can break it down and put it in that box, which certainly is telling of your perspective.

Talking about boxes, that reminds me of my super duper square cut I make sometimes. I used it today along with my triangle back cut. I even used my patented full circle cut! All one the same tree.

All of which were done with my gutless 150 in a previously topped spruce which may or may not have been uprooting. In and out in a hour and a half, and walked with $675.

Afterward I used my other cut that I don’t have a name for yet. 200’ down a 70 degree bluff at high tides. The drift wood was pounding the toe of the bluff as I back cut straight through ivy. It was epic, I cut straight through it and it stayed right there! Perhaps I should call it the invisible cut. Done in another 2.5 hours and 9 trees liberated by the green devil.

I’d give you all the details of my magic cuts, but since you all are so far beneath me I won’t waste my breath.

Home by 1:30 and I made my daily nut, carried my kids around and kissed on my wife. Obviously I have such superior skills to do such amazing feats. Next up I will flop a 50’ top on a garage, the clients don’t care, they have a bike, should see the bill on that one it’s goong to be cheap, saving them thousands from the ones who would take the time avoiding damages, using passé techniques.

Amerika first! (Kinda like earth first, but we only give a damn about us, the err white American class, err send em all home, wall the boarders they are criminals!)
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Bullies come in every skin tone. It sounds like yours was white and took up a lot of space.
 
If anyone is obsessed and easily trigger by the big orange clown living in our White House, it would be me. Cant stand that fucking tool!
 
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Brian55 said:
Bullies come in every skin tone. It sounds like yours was white and took up a lot of space.
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Thanks for caring, it truly warms me that you noticed. Deep down, thanks bro, now I can change my ways based on the typings on the inter webs. I feel lighter on my feet already.
 
rico said:
If anyone is obsessed and easily trigger by the big orange clown living in our White House, it would be me. Cant stand that fucking tool!
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But if you debate enough on the webs you will change the world. Especially on a tree forum, the revolution is yours Rico, grab the bull and spank it, milk it, do what ever you must do, just be careful of the white bulls, they are a sensitive violent bunch
 
I noticed Mr. Useless info changed the name of this thread to protect the innocent. Let this be a lesson to us all to never allow a man to post multiple pictures of world class hackery, then have the nerve to tell us how knowledgable he is.
 
rico said:
Just when I thought it couldn't get any better, I found this lovely example from Daniel. Possibly the worst attempt at an undercut I have ever seen in my life,

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That was a co-dom white oak we had to rip from about 7' to 3.5' height to take out the first lead. That kerf cut on the close up shows what was left from the rip cut... It wasn't pretty getting there with a short bar, but the notch was clean....
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rico said:
Your pictures say much more than I ever could, and do it far more articulately, so I will pass you the gavel Daniel. I'm done here buddy


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That's because you don't know what you're looking at.... can you describe what was done here and why? This was another dead dangerous tree that was a lot safer to fall than climb, but was positioned to take out the lower limbs on a beautiful backyard beech tree .. this cut shortened up the fall by about 7' while keeping all the dead limbs out away from the faller (me)... Turned out to be just enough to prevent any damage to the beech... That was a thing of beauty to me... wish you could have been there.....stangle with vercal snap cut.webp
 
All the pics of the White Oak undercut that you posted at treehouse display that you really don't know what you are doing at the stump. As I said earlier, there ain't no shame in that. Go get better!

I believe we have already discussed the double-take slice cut picture. If you were simply trying to shorten the tree up by 7 feet, a single, well executed slice cut would have done the trick , or you could have high stumped it, and fell it. Can't wait to hear your latest explanation on this one. Be specific please.
 
@rico you really think all this is incomprehensible?

forced barberchair, reverse barberchair/chopsticking, backless cut felling/beavering , notchless felling, around the world cut, accordion etc is stuff we do not because we don't know what we are doing it is because we have an advanced knowledge and practical aumen that comes from years of being bowled over by seriously defective trees. :rayos: The thing to keep in mind is alot of trees we work on ie open grown or hedge row or fence line or rail way or urban crap. A different animal than forest trees. Take 6x6 twist and torque it in opposite direction and then try to fell it with out chewing away at it for awhile to figure and anticipate the tension or compression.
. Turning, swinging and dropping limbs from open grown spreading crown is where my knowledge was gained ie pruning based and not completely felling based as you are.
This goes along way to say that is why this is industry/trainers/college etc is removal based and really backwards.
Saving a defective tree requires an exceptional amount of knowledge where as removal requires very little. If your in the vocation long enough you sstart to see things differently
because the observations you make are different than others for obvious reasons.

Just use this as analogy. the RK is considered by some dangerous and wrong and others as smart and safe.. what ever the reason its not important what is important is that you know what you know and you go home alive.

We all have alot to learn to steer clear of the mundane morass of work.
Be thoughful, be kind
 
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Thanks Rope. I needed a good laugh this morning!
How kind and thoughtful of ya'
 
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I’ve never seen more people butt hurt over someone who has instructional videos about every textbook cut in the book pperformed flawlessly. But then takes awkward situations that arise, comes up with a theory (some that have been talked about and tried before), executes them, posts his thoughts about what happened and tries them over and over developing his own consistent thought process. All of which he warns of trying with disclaimers throughout. Maybe 5% of arborists have seen his stuff and even less have been at the stump thinking what would Daniel do. Then notable people say that’s dumb and he tries to explain his thoughts and gets torn apart. Calm down
 
"every textbook cut in the book performed flawlessly" Really?
I guess your definitions of "textbook" and "flawlessly" are very different than mine.
In my world, folks who consistently make cuts, or leave stumps like these are no longer ask to fall trees. They simply aren't there yet, so we find other tasks for them.

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If you read the stories behind the cut you’ll get why he tried what he did but if you watch other videos he explains the dynamics of a traditional fell. Open face, conventional, humbolt, snap cut, drop cut. You can find a vid of them all as illustrated by multiple books. From depth and angle of notch, hinge length and method of back cut. He shows an example of an experimental cut and posts for debate and people act like every cut they’ve made could go on a poster. He’s probably made 100,000 cuts then posts five pictures of special situations and people act like he hasn’t made a living for thirty or however many years from tree work
 
All 3 pics I made reference to are hardly special situations.

1. Trying to make an undercut with an undersized saw. A mundane, everyday task that he nonetheless managed to turn into a fucking debacle. The picture kinda speaks for itself.
2. A simple, straight forward dead tree with a horrid undercut that looks like it was cut with a dull butter knife. We won't even get into the bored back-cut?
3. A very small leaner with a so-called TH, an unfinished, gawd awful undercut, destroyed hinge, and a multi-level back-cut

As I said, none of the pro's I know would ever allow someone who makes cut such as those to fall trees on their jobs.

Seems some of you arborists would benefit greatly from spending some time working with a real pro faller, and see how its actually supposed to be done.
 
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