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Agreed Kevin this is not just laziness or crazy it's dangerous in a big way. A vertical split has NO holding strength. How could'nt you figure this out Daniel? Have'nt you split firewood?

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You obviously haven't tried it or you wouldn't say it has "NO strength". I've used this cut somewhere near 100 times and know how strong it can be. Is that so hard to copmprehend after you just saw it resist the pull of a track skid loader on pavement?

Everyone that is making such rigid statements about this technique has no experience with it. You are just making it up and you'll full of mistaken preconceptions. What I say is based on a lot of experimentation. I've seen what it can and can't do..
 
Just trying to have some intelligent discussion on forces and rigging and safe work practices.

Its really strange, I'll have to say, that this is only one ever that you decided to drop without lacing it over the top. It really does sound like back-pedaling. I think that we will see in a future post that it isn't back-pedaling, though. I wasn't bashing you, Daniel, as you will see if you re-read it from a neutral viewpoint. Please explain it if you see some bashing.


The "lecture" wasn't for you, as I prefaced it toward anyone that it might help. Please don't use these ideas. Please, continue doing it the one right way.



I hope that your employee, for his sake and yours, is protected by a front panel on the skidsteer cage.

As a business owner, you are not required to follow safety rules, but you are of course responsible to not put an employee negligently at risk. I couldn't see if there is a front panel on the cage to protect your employee from taking a recoiling rope to the body, or worse, face.

A chain and choker are so easy to have on hand.


Intelligent discussion on rigging and safe work practices only please. The arguing is pointless.
 
The chain is a good idea when needed .. I've got chain hooks welded to the bucket. When there is an open cockpit, the bucket can be raised and "dumped" to create a full screen with only a small slit for visibility.

As far as back pedaling, you don't have to wait for future videos .. there are close to 50 vids up now.. just go back and look at the falling compilations or any other spar dropping. They are ALL laced over the top..

"your lack of faith is disturbing"
Darth Vader
 
The chain is useful if you need to skid the logs. If a person were to be buying something for pulling alone, then a length of one of those non-stretchy HMWPE-type fancy ropes would probably be more user-friendy, and able to be installed from the ground.

I bought a log choker for skidding, and have G70 transport chain for my grinder, etc, so I use what I have.
 
i see that type of cut only working on trees with tight fiber. it might be too dangerous for something like a spruce or a pine since they have very fibrous wood. i would only trust that kinda cut on maybe an oak or a eucalyptus. daniel is a hard worker and he seems to have ingenuity. people like you daniel help make the arboriculture world advance into the future. things saving time and work involved means more work done and more money. :) god bless from hawaii
 
Thanks and stay safe..

I have used it on spruce and pine a bit, but not enough to notice any appreciable difference between them and the hardwoods. Like any new technique, you have to experiment in non-critical situations to see what you can get away with..

Down to 16º tonight. High of 26 tomorrow. that's really cold for this of year around here.. Hawaii sure does have a nice ring to it..
 
i would never use this cut in an urban setting with houses and cars and other property involved. i think i would rarely want to use it even in the forest. point is it doesn't look verry reliable or safe and i think we agree this cut is too unpredictable and dangerous for an urban setting where liability is an issue.
 
that's all I use it on.. If I AM not concerned about liabilities should the fall go the wrong way, I'll juts cut it low most times, down well into the trunk flare..

that is the main reason to use this cut, becasue it is safer, more reliable and predictable than a cut in the trunk flare...

AM I repeating myself here again??? over and over?
 
Riggs said:
I said I won't comment on Daniels posts anymore , but my tongue is bleeding . Know my Dad and friends aside . I feel like I have always been truthful to treebuzz on all posts that were questionable . Okay ? good . so here we go , put your seat belt on, cause this ride will make you hit your mom .
Seriously , why on a sraight up stem do you need a loader ? why do you need a plunge cut on a tree that is striaght ? why all the pre causions with the mats ? afraid you'll miss? so many questions , such a small tree , wtf? seriously if you just want to make a video to show off a cut you have , that border line ( can't say the R word) I don't get it , it was ametuer at best and anyone who does that same cut on a similar tree is ...can't say the R word http://www.r-word.org/ . Lets just call it stupid . I take back saying I won't comment anymore . Bring your best game on , because you don't have game . I owe it to people here to comment on your R stuff . ESPN has a great show called CMON MAN , Daniel , CMON MAN ! take away your loader and mini bucket and what do you have ? a long day ! Put up a good real video and stop jerking off for replies ! disgusting lack of respect for your viewers !
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That says it all @Daniel
 
DMills said:
How do you know that it's not going until pulled? Add the lean and weight distribution.......wind?....gravity? some defect you didn't notice? Some mis-calculation. Its being held by vertical fibers, not the strong point of wood. I could never trust my life to that.
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becasue I've seen how much pull it takes to trip the cut, and know that you can't pull it down by hand, and if its a spar, no amount of wind is going to trip the piece.
 
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