Should have been butt tied...

3 } piece had to weigh between 600 to 1100 lbs. over wrapped or , locked up at the rigging point .

Jeff , for "learning "where should he have been cutting ?

- If he was cutting at waist point ,he probally would have been missed , or it would have caught his foot . Good point ....next
 
here's one you might have missed if you weren't watching carefully

5) his back cut is too high, causing him to overcut the hinge completely, so when the piece starts to go it sits down on the saw for a second.. if the saw was cutting any better, it probably would have stuck in the overcut kerf and gotten ripped right out of his hands..
 
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3 } piece had to weigh between 600 to 1100 lbs. over wrapped or , locked up at the rigging point .

Jeff , for "learning "where should he have been cutting ?

- If he was cutting at waist point ,he probally would have been missed , or it would have caught his foot . Good point ....next

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And where should he have been tied in, and where should he have put his lanyard?
 
6) here's another one you have to really look closely for..
no lowering device, they were using natural wraps around the trunk... can't tell how many cause of the fence.. probably one wrap, which was even too much on all that rough bark. Looks like cottonwood eh?.
 
I can't believe it. Riggs has come down from his mighty perch to join us. He's behaving like us mortals. He has contributed to learning.

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Like I said, I didn't expect this thread to go somewhere.

However, in my original post, I did mention that there were many point to be seen as to what went wrong. It's good to see them... pointed out. Hopefully a new bee can gain some insight from this.
 
IMO, more than just newbies can learn something from this one.. for example.. he had the rigging knot tied on the bottom side of that log, which added to the movement of the piece, giving it spin, which is what caused that stub to catch him in the left foot..

so 7) he left a stub on the piece, which many climbers do..

and 8) he tied the knot on the wrong side of the limb, which most do from time to time..

You can't actually see the piece hit his left foot, but he clearly screams upon impact, which is well before the tip comes around and gets him in the back of the leg..
 
How many of you notices that the reason the stub got his left foot is becasue he had the knot tied on the wrong side of the piece?

How many climbers with 5-10 years experience even understand the principle???

not too many I would guess...
 
Can't start wrong and end right can ya? I got four years climbing experience ( not a lot but I would surprise a few ) and rigging came to me relatively easy because it's mostly physics which is one of my strengths. That being said others may struggle because they may not be versed with simple concepts of physics i.e torque, bending moments, force, tension, load limits, friction and the list goes on. Oh yeah forgot balance point which you might like Daniel. This guy seems to be lacking any knowledge of physics hence cutting a piece not knowing the outcome.
 
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True statement. And the majority of the population, would learn from an experience like that video.

But, it's the few that have been "doing it 20 years" like that, that sort of bothers us. At least for me...
 
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How many of you notices that the reason the stub got his left foot is becasue he had the knot tied on the wrong side of the piece?

How many climbers with 5-10 years experience even understand the principle???

not too many I would guess...

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Would you elaborate, please?
 
Run that piece to the effing ground! I don't care how many mistakes the climber made. That piece should have been ten feet below him before it came around the tree. FAIL
 
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Run that piece to the effing ground! I don't care how many mistakes the climber made. That piece should have been ten feet below him before it came around the tree. FAIL

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Whether that is true or not doesn't change the fact that that climber is his own worst enemy and has no business making a cut like that. When climbing, I can go 6 months without once putting myself in a position where I rely on the ground-man to run a rope to keep me safe. There was absolutely NO NEED for that rigging set up. It shows a lack of understanding of rigging trees.. ANYONE With a little common sense and experience could have looked at that set up and said NOT GOOD!

Given the choices:
A) I can make this cut and hope the ground man runs the line enough so I don't die here

or

B) I can reset this rigging so the piece moves down and away from me with little or no run from the G M.

WHICH WOULD YOU TAKE?
 
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How many of you notices that the reason the stub got his left foot is becasue he had the knot tied on the wrong side of the piece?

How many climbers with 5-10 years experience even understand the principle???

not too many I would guess...

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Would you elaborate, please?

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What are you asking here? Do you not understand how the placement of the knot is going to effect the spin of the piece?
 
Good point about the not relying on the ground worker Daniel. Even the best ground worker could have an equipment issue. The climber has to set it up the safest and most efficient way.

I think to make that work, move the climber out from under the block to the opposite side of the stem he's on. Change the notch direction to aim it just off the block so it doesn't get so much spinning momentum. Then there's the simple solution, take it in two or more smaller pieces, but that wasn't nessesary. Instead of letting it run more the ground worker could of lowered it slowly until the hinge released then let it go. Then there's the butt tie that the climber controls.

I bet the climber knows all that and more. The big lesson should be slow down and think it through. It was probably one of those, this doesn't seem right but I'll do it anyway because we're in a hurry.
 
"ANYONE With a little common sense and experience"

Common sense=the practical application of everything you know---Jim Sebesta

Experience---How much? What kind? This climber apparently didn't have he common sense or experience to be 'ANYONE' so he put himself in harms way.

"Would you elaborate, please?"
What are you asking here? Do you not understand how the placement of the knot is going to effect the spin of the piece? "

This is a legitimate question. Even though most of us understand how knot placement can affect the way a piece moves if someone has a question of clarification you have the opportunity here to educate and share your common sense and experience.

If this vid is going to be defended as a teaching experience then draw out every bit that's possible.
 
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