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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
True that. I don't buy splices, I'd rather do them myself.
True that. I don't buy splices, I'd rather do them myself.
Sherrill's PI splice
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rich_h
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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This is why I'm not sure I'd trust any splice not made by me.
Monday splice? Friday splice? Late night the day before? Angry at your spouse?
Not good combo's for full time splicers.
Knot please.
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I would take exception to these statements.
Knowing that each splice you perform could potentially be the difference between life and death tends to add quite a bit of importance to making sure things are done properly.
Any production splicer that has spent any time whatsoever as a production climber would certainly understand that safety is paramount and that any nagging questions concerning gear could wreak havoc upon a climbers ability to make sound decisions in a tree. It is the splicers responsibility to make sure that the products they make are of the best possible quality. I can assure you that this responsibility is not taken lightly.
I would also suggest that repetition is a major key to performing high quality splices and a production splicer has much more opportunity to fine tune the skills necessary to make strong, smooth splices.
Is it possible that not all production splicers are as professional as they could be.....absolutely. Is it likely that you will have a long career as a production splicer unless you are completely dedicated to it.....I strongly doubt it.
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This is why I'm not sure I'd trust any splice not made by me.
Monday splice? Friday splice? Late night the day before? Angry at your spouse?
Not good combo's for full time splicers.
Knot please.
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I would take exception to these statements.
Knowing that each splice you perform could potentially be the difference between life and death tends to add quite a bit of importance to making sure things are done properly.
Any production splicer that has spent any time whatsoever as a production climber would certainly understand that safety is paramount and that any nagging questions concerning gear could wreak havoc upon a climbers ability to make sound decisions in a tree. It is the splicers responsibility to make sure that the products they make are of the best possible quality. I can assure you that this responsibility is not taken lightly.
I would also suggest that repetition is a major key to performing high quality splices and a production splicer has much more opportunity to fine tune the skills necessary to make strong, smooth splices.
Is it possible that not all production splicers are as professional as they could be.....absolutely. Is it likely that you will have a long career as a production splicer unless you are completely dedicated to it.....I strongly doubt it.
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When you read threads like these, what's the climber going to think though?
"Dang, I hope my splice was done correctly, like it SHOULD have been."
Are we all going to take our splices apart and inspect them? No, that's why we bought the spliced rope in the first place. We thought it was done correctly.
In the end, splicers aren't machines, they are human. Mistakes happen. In the instance where someones life is in danger, shouldn't be when that mistake does happen.
With that, I knot my climbing lines. It's just a feeling of security I have being able to SEE it first hand. I was always nervous climbing on my first spliced line, so it's now a tow rope. I do splice all my own tenex rigging slings, loopies, etc.
When you read threads like these, what's the climber going to think though?
"Dang, I hope my splice was done correctly, like it SHOULD have been."
Are we all going to take our splices apart and inspect them? No, that's why we bought the spliced rope in the first place. We thought it was done correctly.
In the end, splicers aren't machines, they are human. Mistakes happen. In the instance where someones life is in danger, shouldn't be when that mistake does happen.
With that, I knot my climbing lines. It's just a feeling of security I have being able to SEE it first hand. I was always nervous climbing on my first spliced line, so it's now a tow rope. I do splice all my own tenex rigging slings, loopies, etc.
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When you read threads like these, what's the climber going to think though?
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I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from buying or using splices, and I'm not implying that Serrill is selling an unsafe product. I know that a lot of high quality splices come from their shop. There are plenty of safe ways to deviate from manufacturer specs(I think Nick could back me up on that), which I believe is the case here. I have no doubt that a short core bury breaks at an approved limit for tree work. I do however think it may facilitate problems mentioned in this thread, and warrant thorough investigation.
I've said all I know and laid out all the evidence I have.
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When you read threads like these, what's the climber going to think though?
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I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from buying or using splices, and I'm not implying that Serrill is selling an unsafe product. I know that a lot of high quality splices come from their shop. There are plenty of safe ways to deviate from manufacturer specs(I think Nick could back me up on that), which I believe is the case here. I have no doubt that a short core bury breaks at an approved limit for tree work. I do however think it may facilitate problems mentioned in this thread, and warrant thorough investigation.
I've said all I know and laid out all the evidence I have.
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Here is a pic of a Sherrill PI splice that I have had the same issue with. I have had the rope for quite a while now but the core started showing through almost immediately. Never used the rope that much as it was 200ft of PI, mostly just as an access line on big trees. Just cut the splice off and will probably send it in to be dissected.
Here is a pic of a Sherrill PI splice that I have had the same issue with. I have had the rope for quite a while now but the core started showing through almost immediately. Never used the rope that much as it was 200ft of PI, mostly just as an access line on big trees. Just cut the splice off and will probably send it in to be dissected.
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Tobe just got busted. Booya. U guys have to understand that Tobe isnt a full time tree professional at all. He never post anything on here unless he is defending a Sherrill Tree screw up or there ridiculous prices. He never gets on here just to bs. All I can say is busted.
D.W.H
Tobe just got busted. Booya. U guys have to understand that Tobe isnt a full time tree professional at all. He never post anything on here unless he is defending a Sherrill Tree screw up or there ridiculous prices. He never gets on here just to bs. All I can say is busted.
D.W.H
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Hmmm, interesting thought flash, but not sure tobe is to blame here, it is a product he sells but i think it is an issue with the splicing department. even then it could just be one splicer "cheating" or being "lazy". I do feel uncomfortable using a splice that is hemorrhaging the core, or one that does not feel smooth or tapered.
From reading posts over the last 6 years i have been involved in climbing and the 3 or so I have been a member of the buzz, I have learned so much.
The thing is there is so much knowledge about all things tree that a lot can be forgotten. So lets review when to know whether or not to use a rope....
Every user instruction that comes with a rope that i have bought has a list of things that would warrant a retired rope such as bumps or unevenness in the rope at any point. I consider a splice to be "part of my rope" and thus suspect to the same issues.
In other words... if you see or feel something you think is wrong STOP USING THE ROPE and ask someone like Norm or Tobe or Nick... whoever!! I have retired splices from the factory after use because I felt they were worn. It is a climbing rope, not an indestructible rope...
Hmmm, interesting thought flash, but not sure tobe is to blame here, it is a product he sells but i think it is an issue with the splicing department. even then it could just be one splicer "cheating" or being "lazy". I do feel uncomfortable using a splice that is hemorrhaging the core, or one that does not feel smooth or tapered.
From reading posts over the last 6 years i have been involved in climbing and the 3 or so I have been a member of the buzz, I have learned so much.
The thing is there is so much knowledge about all things tree that a lot can be forgotten. So lets review when to know whether or not to use a rope....
Every user instruction that comes with a rope that i have bought has a list of things that would warrant a retired rope such as bumps or unevenness in the rope at any point. I consider a splice to be "part of my rope" and thus suspect to the same issues.
In other words... if you see or feel something you think is wrong STOP USING THE ROPE and ask someone like Norm or Tobe or Nick... whoever!! I have retired splices from the factory after use because I felt they were worn. It is a climbing rope, not an indestructible rope...
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- Watertown, WI
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This all comes down to GEAR INSPECTION. I look at everything I buy for look and feel of each product. Just because it is a professional splice does not mean there is no human error factor to be considered.
I suggest feeling your factory/professional splices before use to make sure all is kosher. If not, contact your dealer, no matter who that dealer is, I am certain they will not ignore you voicing your concern.
This all comes down to GEAR INSPECTION. I look at everything I buy for look and feel of each product. Just because it is a professional splice does not mean there is no human error factor to be considered.
I suggest feeling your factory/professional splices before use to make sure all is kosher. If not, contact your dealer, no matter who that dealer is, I am certain they will not ignore you voicing your concern.
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- Lexington, KY- USA
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When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
Tr33Climb3r
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
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ah yes the look
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When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
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ah yes the look
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i get the look all the time, gonna get a really bad look when the package including a whole bunch of stuff my company ordered comes.... big box and a big im sorry for the bill sweetie.
i get the look all the time, gonna get a really bad look when the package including a whole bunch of stuff my company ordered comes.... big box and a big im sorry for the bill sweetie.
Gerald_Beranek
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I know the look.
I know the look.
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- Watertown, WI
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scary isn't it? anyways, back to splices and poison ivy
scary isn't it? anyways, back to splices and poison ivy
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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At least being single has SOME benefit. I don't have to worry about 'The look' anymore.
At least being single has SOME benefit. I don't have to worry about 'The look' anymore.
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Re: Sherrill\'s PI splice
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When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
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.....but what did they say about the splice?
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When I got home from work today there was a package on the table from Sherrill. My wife was giving me that look, 'what did you order now?'. I hadn't ordered anything. Tobe had sent me a new Silky Gomtaro handsaw and a note thanking me for responding to this issue in reasonable way. Thanks Tobe, very professional.
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.....but what did they say about the splice?
Tobe_Sherrill
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Casey,
Just recv'd your returned rope and have personally conducted a thorough review.
Against our (reasonably flexible) policy I understand Gary replaced your 200-ft Poison Ivy site unseen with a new one. Although I appreciate him taking my request with elevated importance I will remind him about sticking to our replacement policy until a review is performed.
Don't take this wrong Casey but your rope's core is neither hemorrhaging, wearing prematurely or especially, poorly spliced. It's perfectly safe and would pass even the most critical inspection at the highest level of competition! This splice, performed in September of last year by LeMarkus Green in our rigging shop has an almost undetectable smooth taper trailing beneath the a tightly formed lock stitch.
Perhaps Norm or Nick or others having significant splicing experience will chime in to confirm (or deny) my assurance that the tiny glimpse of core that's viewed between two strands of cover in IMG_0614 is nothing to be alarmed about ...unless it grew in size ...significantly ...and perhaps the core puffed out a bit.
Regardless Casey, I don't fault you for worrying. So much of this gear stuff is alien outside of the Buzz. I hope the imagery helps (you and others).
T
Casey,
Just recv'd your returned rope and have personally conducted a thorough review.
Against our (reasonably flexible) policy I understand Gary replaced your 200-ft Poison Ivy site unseen with a new one. Although I appreciate him taking my request with elevated importance I will remind him about sticking to our replacement policy until a review is performed.
Don't take this wrong Casey but your rope's core is neither hemorrhaging, wearing prematurely or especially, poorly spliced. It's perfectly safe and would pass even the most critical inspection at the highest level of competition! This splice, performed in September of last year by LeMarkus Green in our rigging shop has an almost undetectable smooth taper trailing beneath the a tightly formed lock stitch.
Perhaps Norm or Nick or others having significant splicing experience will chime in to confirm (or deny) my assurance that the tiny glimpse of core that's viewed between two strands of cover in IMG_0614 is nothing to be alarmed about ...unless it grew in size ...significantly ...and perhaps the core puffed out a bit.
Regardless Casey, I don't fault you for worrying. So much of this gear stuff is alien outside of the Buzz. I hope the imagery helps (you and others).
T
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- Watertown, WI
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those splices look just fine to me, on the last pic you can just barely see some white which could be fixed by shifting the cover strands with your finger nail.
Rotate your rope often if you have a splice on each end, reduces wear and extends the life of your rope.
those splices look just fine to me, on the last pic you can just barely see some white which could be fixed by shifting the cover strands with your finger nail.
Rotate your rope often if you have a splice on each end, reduces wear and extends the life of your rope.
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those splices look just fine to me, on the last pic you can just barely see some white which could be fixed by shifting the cover strands with your finger nail.
Rotate your rope often if you have a splice on each end, reduces wear and extends the life of your rope.
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Take a really close look at the bottom splice in the second pic. That taper doesn't strike you as odd?
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those splices look just fine to me, on the last pic you can just barely see some white which could be fixed by shifting the cover strands with your finger nail.
Rotate your rope often if you have a splice on each end, reduces wear and extends the life of your rope.
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Take a really close look at the bottom splice in the second pic. That taper doesn't strike you as odd?
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What's odd about it?
What's odd about it?
