Rope Wrench Feedback?

[treebing]

how do you all attach photos directly into the page?

Zing it will always be annoying in the tree. a hazard. I would prefer rope that is hanging down and you can put it away on the back side of the tree, or stuff it in a crotch out of the way until needed. also with anything tied to the running bowline you have to descend inline with the pull out cord which means no redirects in order to descend. So far this cambium save trick is the only one that allows you to have a top tied SRT line and pull it out regardless of redirects gone through. This was not my idea, someone posted it on the buzz a while ago and Im trying to find that thread now from about a year ago.

 

[surveyor]

You bracket the http address of the picture with

 

[treebing]

your RC powered servo box would be sweet. I would love to see that done. It would work well with this cambium saver setup too.

 

[treebing]

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=263579&page=0&fpart=3&vc=1

here is where ward introduced me to the idea

 

[treebing]

This is to a door but the concept could be applied to a little throw line bag. could the autoremote reach 75 feet into the tree?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKseZWZx9Nk

 

[surveyor]

It should. However R/C servos are very compact and not that expensive. In fact I have one from an R/C glider I used to fly. I was thinking the throwline container should be mostly round so that it does not get easily stuck as it drops. Maybe something like a plastic ice bucket shaped like a ball.

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

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how do you all attach photos directly into the page?

Zing it will always be annoying in the tree. a hazard. I would prefer rope that is hanging down and you can put it away on the back side of the tree, or stuff it in a crotch out of the way until needed. also with anything tied to the running bowline you have to descend inline with the pull out cord which means no redirects in order to descend. So far this cambium save trick is the only one that allows you to have a top tied SRT line and pull it out regardless of redirects gone through. This was not my idea, someone posted it on the buzz a while ago and Im trying to find that thread now from about a year ago.

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maybe a dumb question Kevin, but you don't install this from the ground right? you cinch the running bowline, ascend up, the install this, then work, descend and take this rig out?

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

and do you tie a throwline to the alpine butterfly side? or do you have the tail end of the rope tied to the trunk and pull it out that way?

 

[treebing]

You can install it from the ground and you can use a thriwline or the rope on the butterfly side. Throwline sucks to have hanging in the tree

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

I figured you would install the FS like normal, so the only real advantage to this is being able to pull it out no matter how many redirects you do right?

you are still gonna have the tail end of the rope or the throwline hanging down off the knot-side.

 

[Jesse]

Is the main purpose to prevent doubling the forces at the TIP?

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

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Is the main purpose to prevent doubling the forces at the TIP?

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that would be my guess too Jesse, that and you don't have a basal tied rope in your way.

I used my RW on a big red pine removal the other day, cinched a limb with a running bowline, it was nice to not have a down-rope in the tree with me

I think I'll practice using this, i have 4 ring to rings that the rope wrench is making obsolete, so I better find use for 'em

I'm thinking that this would be a sweet system

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

could a moderator possibly shrink that big pic, it is messing up the page here

 

[treebing]

Yes, in some occasions. What kind of crotch you have dictates this a lot.

You can set this from the ground with a throwline like normal. THe crotch has to be isolated. Slide the rigging plate to the middle of the rope and tie your midline butterflies, Or if you are useing another rope or
RC throwline servo bag. THen you can tie a couple of figure eihgts and attach the pull down cord. Pull the rope up through the cambium saver till it rigging plate hits the cambium saver. climb away.

sometimes you end up getting an isolated crotch on a laterally extended lead and you feel that a base tie is too bouncy or risky. Its nice to get do your tie off up there. It can make you feel better. Plus you can foot lock up the doubled line and then depart to work off the single side. You can go through redirects like normal and leave the pull down side hanging in an inconspicuous place.

To retrieve, Get a retrieval ring/ball on the tail and pull your rope through and out. Obviously your chance of getting stuck is raised but its a technique I think has some merit.

There are a couple other good techniques posted in that safety questions of SRT thread

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

last nite I was playing on the RW in the big locust in my backyard, climbed to 50-60 feet in no time with little effort via the foot ascender and over-the-shoulder lanyard technique of advancing the hitch/RW


Another huge thing is this, no matter how or where i swung to and climbed out on or under etc...you never get tangled or twisted!

Wehn I Climb DdRT, I am always getting my lines crossed and twisted up while working on something, you either have to spin around, or clip in with your lanyard then unclip the DdRT system and untwist it.

This alone saves a ton time.


yeah baby!

 

[Steve Baker]

Try using image shack for pics... Once there downloaded onto image shack you just cut,copy,paste it into the post... Easy Peasy... Thanks for the picture,Im definitely going to try out the friction saver/rigging plate idea tomorrow.

 

[surveyor]

Maybe a R/C winch, housed in a bullet shaped housing, that you could attach the end of the throwline to once the climbing line is in place, then reel the throwline up with the winch ascending from the ground to the TIP. reverse the R/C winch when you are ready to remove the lines.

Sorry about the large picture, not sure why it was so large.

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

Since I"m not working until this aft, I tried this in my backyard it seems to be secure, I used a mini biner on a loop from my spliced throwline to pull out the F-saver

 

[GibsonTreeCare]

here is another, this works well with a doubled overhand knot, with the spliced end of the throwline hanging a bit and a micro-biner in the loop, then 2 marls to keep the KM111 running in a straight line thru the F-saver, comes out under control like a charm.

 

[Steve Baker]

Kevin or Cary where can I get the friction savers that your using(made out of rope?I like Kevin's with the steel rings...I have the buckingham's at work but don't like the flat webbing... Treestuff's website doesn't show any ring to ring friction savers made out of steel...