I think I know what Seth is talking about. Today I threaded my way through two wide Silver Maples. I had my TIP set in the center of the first tree, Alpine Butterfly with a short tail, and a throw-line retrieval down to the ground. I worked my way across both crowns and came back only to the edge of the first tree to descend. When I disconnected, my line went horizontally over only one natural crotch from the TIP and down to the ground. I could barely pull the line down without severing the skin off my hands. I had to put the throwline into a munter hitch on a biner just to be able to pull it out. My feet were off the ground. If I was base tied and going directly through a few natural crotches, I think it would have been fine. I will NEVER make that mistake again! Base tie and come down most anywhere, or isolate and descend from the TIP...Unless you isolate through a ring to ring FS. I should have known better.
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I think I know what Seth is talking about. Today I threaded my way through two wide Silver Maples. I had my TIP set in the center of the first tree, Alpine Butterfly with a short tail, and a throw-line retrieval down to the ground. I worked my way across both crowns and came back only to the edge of the first tree to descend. When I disconnected, my line went horizontally over only one natural crotch from the TIP and down to the ground. I could barely pull the line down without severing the skin off my hands. I had to put the throwline into a munter hitch on a biner just to be able to pull it out. My feet were off the ground. If I was base tied and going directly through a few natural crotches, I think it would have been fine. I will NEVER make that mistake again! Base tie and come down most anywhere, or isolate and descend from the TIP...Unless you isolate through a ring to ring FS. I should have known better.
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Etree thanks for shortening my learning curve, keep posting so I can learn from your mistakes.I guess base tie is where I am headed, again after xmas, as I have no time know. I am busy trying to finnish up the mass of work I have left before I head to England for the holidays. Paul.
I think I know what Seth is talking about. Today I threaded my way through two wide Silver Maples. I had my TIP set in the center of the first tree, Alpine Butterfly with a short tail, and a throw-line retrieval down to the ground. I worked my way across both crowns and came back only to the edge of the first tree to descend. When I disconnected, my line went horizontally over only one natural crotch from the TIP and down to the ground. I could barely pull the line down without severing the skin off my hands. I had to put the throwline into a munter hitch on a biner just to be able to pull it out. My feet were off the ground. If I was base tied and going directly through a few natural crotches, I think it would have been fine. I will NEVER make that mistake again! Base tie and come down most anywhere, or isolate and descend from the TIP...Unless you isolate through a ring to ring FS. I should have known better.
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Etree thanks for shortening my learning curve, keep posting so I can learn from your mistakes.I guess base tie is where I am headed, again after xmas, as I have no time know. I am busy trying to finnish up the mass of work I have left before I head to England for the holidays. Paul.
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- Lexington, Kentucky
Yeah, don't anchor at your TIP with an alpine butterfly unless u plan on following the retrieval end back to the ground. You can't really redirect off an AB anchor TIP and be able to retrieve from the ground. Either use a base tie or the ring/ring FS method if u want to redirect and retrieve from ground.
Swing,
A Gri-Gri is a good way to go for a base tie, but I'd prefer to isolate whenever I can. A base tie isn't a bad thing, but if someone could release it after you reach your TIP, it may be nicer. After my mistake today I'll be sure to isolate through a L-ring/S-ring FS from now on. I also used a few web slings with biners to make quick redirects when it was easier than climbing up and over a natural crotch. You just have to be doing a climb in which going back to get them isn't a huge deal.
P.S.: I got into spear fishing a couple years ago. What a blast! We have some sweet diving spots around here, but not the greatest visibility. A buddy of mine hangs out 60' down in the kelp forests in San Diego.
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We are constantly invited to be who we are ~Thoreau
A Gri-Gri is a good way to go for a base tie, but I'd prefer to isolate whenever I can. A base tie isn't a bad thing, but if someone could release it after you reach your TIP, it may be nicer. After my mistake today I'll be sure to isolate through a L-ring/S-ring FS from now on. I also used a few web slings with biners to make quick redirects when it was easier than climbing up and over a natural crotch. You just have to be doing a climb in which going back to get them isn't a huge deal.
P.S.: I got into spear fishing a couple years ago. What a blast! We have some sweet diving spots around here, but not the greatest visibility. A buddy of mine hangs out 60' down in the kelp forests in San Diego.
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We are constantly invited to be who we are ~Thoreau
- Location
- Toronto ON
A lot of the time I tend not to keep my natural crotch redirects. After I install a natural crotch redirect I tend to climb on a bight and leave the fall of my rope hanging through the crotch, so after I am done pruning that area I will lanyard in, disconnect and tie a slip knot below my HC and connect the WR biner into it. Then I'll pull the fall of my rope until it passes through the crotch, reconnect and move on to the next section of the tree to prune.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Symbioun,
This is one of the biggest time and energy saving benefits of SRT! Like someone else said you start to look at the tree a lot differently. Mobile TIPS are what redis are to me. The tree gets broken down into smaller pieces.
This is one of the biggest time and energy saving benefits of SRT! Like someone else said you start to look at the tree a lot differently. Mobile TIPS are what redis are to me. The tree gets broken down into smaller pieces.
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A lot of the time I tend not to keep my natural crotch redirects. After I install a natural crotch redirect I tend to climb on a bight and leave the fall of my rope hanging through the crotch, so after I am done pruning that area I will lanyard in, disconnect and tie a slip knot below my HC and connect the WR biner into it. Then I'll pull the fall of my rope until it passes through the crotch, reconnect and move on to the next section of the tree to prune.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
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That's smart I will remember that.Paul.
A lot of the time I tend not to keep my natural crotch redirects. After I install a natural crotch redirect I tend to climb on a bight and leave the fall of my rope hanging through the crotch, so after I am done pruning that area I will lanyard in, disconnect and tie a slip knot below my HC and connect the WR biner into it. Then I'll pull the fall of my rope until it passes through the crotch, reconnect and move on to the next section of the tree to prune.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
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That's smart I will remember that.Paul.
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A lot of the time I tend not to keep my natural crotch redirects. After I install a natural crotch redirect I tend to climb on a bight and leave the fall of my rope hanging through the crotch, so after I am done pruning that area I will lanyard in, disconnect and tie a slip knot below my HC and connect the WR biner into it. Then I'll pull the fall of my rope until it passes through the crotch, reconnect and move on to the next section of the tree to prune.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
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As long as you don't need a redi to get access to your next TIP, or when transferring through multiple trees. Every situation is different.
A lot of the time I tend not to keep my natural crotch redirects. After I install a natural crotch redirect I tend to climb on a bight and leave the fall of my rope hanging through the crotch, so after I am done pruning that area I will lanyard in, disconnect and tie a slip knot below my HC and connect the WR biner into it. Then I'll pull the fall of my rope until it passes through the crotch, reconnect and move on to the next section of the tree to prune.
This way you don't end up with a spiderweb of rope that is difficult to pull out from the ground.
I know how addictive redirects can be when you first start climbing SRT. You learn real quick which to keep and which to pull out.
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As long as you don't need a redi to get access to your next TIP, or when transferring through multiple trees. Every situation is different.
