Rigging a rotting tree over a new roof

Listen to Sean RangerDanger... this is sport, not strife... you just happened to be the guy who brought the ball.

There's no harm in lively debate, though it's better without things getting too personal. I really haven't seen what I would call an attack in this thread though.

Kick back, we might just learn something... if nothing else somebody will say something witty sooner or later.

...and hey, you started a 6 page thread... nice job.
 
Man we all need a hobby away from the PC!!!!
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I've been playing with splicing but it's getting so that I splice while I'm in front of the stankin' puter.
 
Hey Ranger,

You mind me asking what you pay those guys, or you mind telling us what the going rate for a climber is over there. It may shed some light on why you can't find any good help. Also... if I ever had an employee that gave me the finger when I was trying to help them out. They'd be gone...INSTANTLY!!
 
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Your personal attacks at anyone that doesn't see things the same way as you is unnecessarily abrasive and pointless as a means of positive discussion.

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Well put.

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I have been reading thru the postings here and wow Ranger you are a lucky guy since whenever I here of a tree part blown over or snapped its got bucket truck written all over it. I dont even think of the cost sometimes and my clients just want it done safely and no damage occurs. Why couldnt you get a another company and have them remove the tree ???

Very puzzling thats for sure !!!
 
Ranger,

I am no expert from here either. But if that tree was on my board for the day, it would've been removed without incident.

Take what others say with a grain of salt. Some are genuine and care, while others are looking for drama and a reason to reply. I agree wih some of the posts, but not all. There are too many replies for me to go one by one. However, keep learning and stay involved. That will give you what you need to do any job that comes your way, including knowing when to walk away.

FTR, I would have been fine with climbing that tree and taking small pieces like shown, but might have taken bigger ones with no rope at all.
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Ohhhhhh who cares what Mark says anyway
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Thanks Mark. On the side without the roof, my Dad just dropped those straight down to the ground, so about half the tree got done way before the other half.

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Now that part bothers me a bit. i'd probably opt to not just do one side; but try to maintain some balance by going back and forth/maintain part of the opposing side to ballast the movemeant forces of the side i'm working? Not all force increases loading IMLHO; many times adding/keeping ballast decreases it. Sometimes a spread upside down U rig, controlled by climber can be real helpfull; in that one end comes up to work one side as the load from the other side is dropping...

Ballasting to me is so important that on near verticals, rigged to self and sprung or light; i'll lanyard in tight at some lean back and then lean forward while cutting. Then, just at impact point on rig side, i'll drop back hard on opposing /lanyard side as a ballasting force to the impact. It is more loading, but the balance of forces is more inline to the support of the spar... You can even feel less boing. Leaf weight can help too; as a parachuting effect into rig.

And, i think everyone here did sum L-earning by reaching over there heads a bit. Also, how smart that is partially depends on what you walk away from the job with; that you hold and keep long after the check is gone. Most l-earning is most intense at the fine line betwixt can and can't. That is what doing your best is really all about; pushing yourself to that line in all things; the good rep is just frosting on the cake.

i think we've all done jobs we wouldn't again; and then yes it does include knowing when to walk away. But, even that comes with seasoning. Also at some point, ya don't got nothing else to prove; and can tip your hat at the next guy if they can do better and go on without a care. Living to fight the next battle, another day is important. So is not burning yourself out, even if ya could do it; but that all comes after payin'some dues.

Also; don't just critique and crunch and sift knowledge out of the stuff ya cuss at that goes wrong or nearly so. Wring everything ya can; how it could go better or worse from every scrap of anything that comes thru (IMLHO).

i also think free falling would be great to limit force; unless you make it hang on too long going from vertical towards horizontal(pulling with more leverage on tree as it moves), impact etc. b4 tearoff. Sooooooooo; there are know clean cut, across the bored answers; that anyone can just toss out to blanket over your efforts. One of the amazing things in this game of forces; is that anything can be twisted to stand to help you or stand against ya. Everythang is like the 3 bares; every force has a range of -1, to ballasted to 1 then X it's force. Any force that stands against you; you can take and ballast or make it useful; if you can look around and figure out the puzzle of Goldilocks.

But don't listen to me; i'm jest a drama queen
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Just a question out of ignorance because I know very little about buckets or bucket operations... I've never even been up in one (it's like snow skiing, I'm afraid I might like it TOO much).

Anyway, suppose you're doing this tree or one like it in a bucket. How doe you deal with the wood over the structure? Do you rig it off the bucket? ...the tree? ...cut little pieces and toss them?

I know a crane is an option but it really does seem like overkill (and over priced?) to use that much equipment unless you just happen to need to keep it busy.
 
OKKKKKKKKKK I think ya did a great job ranger in this thread ya didnt blow up and f off everyone, cool beans
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I too have no bucket truck and climb some trees that abirds says no way to. I think you all have the knowledge of knowing when a tree is a no no to climb. So hey I say it again thanks for the pics sharing and the job info.
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I don't know if anyone brought this up, but did anyone notice the back cut on the felling cut?

For the rookies out there: That is a sign of a loose chain or a dull chain. Or, if there was a plung cut made, it is a sign that the wrap was not done straight. In addition, it kind of looks like the back cut was too far into the hinge wood. Therefore, not leaving much or no hinge at all. Am I nit-pick-n the kid?
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Hey, plenty of you guys did.
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Sorry. I had to point that out. It is one of my peeves when I see sloppy cuts.
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BTW! Tell those other guys they gotta go. I'd fire someone on the spot if they disrespected me like that.
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Thanks Mark. On the side without the roof, my Dad just dropped those straight down to the ground, so about half the tree got done way before hte other half.

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Are you kidding. The tree was intacted, just split. I read through this whole post to find this information at the end.

I have to appoligize for this personal attack but WTF.

Your father removes the easy side of the tree. Cut/Drop.
Then send the inexperienced and possibly illegal worker that does not speak English and is an "expert" climber to do the rigging.

If this tree was complete then it should have been strapped together at the split then worked in balance as previously mentioned above to limit risk.

So how much of a break did you give this guy to do this job? Are you paying worker's comp? Do you carry insurance? Why are you not coaching from the ground?

Also look at the climbing picture. If he were to fall because he was not anchored in he would have fallen into the 2 foot stub that was left. Do me a favor, try not to give insurance companies a reason to raise the work comp rates.
 
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