Rigging a rotting tree over a new roof

The pics of the job are great, and to sound like the 3rd guy in a comvesation make sure that tree is safe to climb, and any hint of a nada look at equipment.At 15 yrs old ya just got the first taste of the 1 handing saw deal ya have 2 arms attached to them are hands make sure they both hold that saw. I dont like to read about the arbs on here that 1 hand then post in awakenings. Again great pics and if I didnt say it before welcome to the buzz.
 
Can I jump on the bandwagon?....no way am I climbing that tree. The access looked good for distmantling from a bucket...but only from the safe side.

Thanks for posting the pics Ranger. Very interesting.
 
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Well, no offense to any tree company here in Lexington, but nmodt of them around here suck. They don't perfrom the proper techinque, safety, etc. And we wanted to keep the cost low. The tree was pretty much sound for the removeal, etc. And yes, that climber in the limb walking photo knows nothing of what he was doing. He dosen't understand alot of basics, like keeping the slack put of your line, lanyarding in, etc. When they were taking out the half that fell he was tied in to the main tree, and was cutting a limb UNDER TENSION and it flipped the piece he was standing on. He too a swing into the trunk and was ok, but my Dad and I were glad to see him take a swing/hit and show him how important it is to keep slack out of your line, and be carefull when cutting a limb under tension. We just hope he learns from these little incidents and trys not to let them happen again.

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Guess what, it's your mistake if your climber is not trained adequately to perform a job. I find it highly irresponsible that you would send a guy up there that is not qualified, especially on a tree like that. And then you write that you're happy he took a swing?
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This is not the first time I've seen you post questionable pics, and I'm glad for your sake you are because you might learn something and hopefully don't kill your climber the next time around. You can point fingers at your climber all you want, but the real blame falls on you and your dad for putting him in that situation.

Why aren't more people raising flags on this post, this is the type of situation where people get killed?

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Most everyone has done their fair share of "stupid" trees. Most of the time that is what seperates us from the rest of the population... we all have maybe a little too much braun and not all the brains. But we do learn, and mostly human nature allows us to learn better from our mistakes than the advice of others. Both sets of pics show someone one handing a saw. I think we all have a couple of pictures we wouldn't want an OSHA rep. to see. I'm glad it turned out well and everyone does things different thats what makes our work so fun and diverse. I hope you all appreciate my little piece of insight.
 
Well every time we tell him he looks at us and gives use the finger and says F--- off. Then, when my Dad explains to his brother(ground guy) to always look at the climber, he gives my Dad the finger and acts like they alreay know it all, which they don't. Their new here and don't speak alot of english, so we try to make it simple for them and try to get them to understand that this is a dangerous job and people do get hurt and killed. He even laughs when my Dad slips or takes a small fall, but when he does it, he trys to blame it on the ground guy or guy running the ropes, when he could have gotten out of the way of the way, or prevented it. We always make sure he's tied in and when he sees these types of trees he makes my Dad climb them, but I think after seeing my Dad climb it first, he felt safer.
 
I do agree it is a bad situation and if anyone gave me the finger while i was pointing out something directly attached to their best welfare, well i know they wouldn't be around me very long... my crew, its safety, and my reputation are all at stake. Safety should never be overlooked by anyone and I believe the language barrier in itself are a serious safety issue. Communication is the first route to safety. We all do need to act responsibly and carry out our duties as safely as possible.
 
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Well every time we tell him he looks at us and gives use the finger and says F--- off. Then, when my Dad explains to his brother(ground guy) to always look at the climber, he gives my Dad the finger and acts like they alreay know it all,

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That dusgusts me on so many levels. Professionalism has been lost to the eternal futile desire of men...to earn a quick buck by hiring cheap, unqualified labor. It will bight you in the arse in the long run.
 
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That dusgusts me on so many levels. Professionalism has been lost to the eternal futile desire of men...to earn a quick buck by hiring cheap, unqualified labor. It will bight you in the arse in the long run.

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Phil,
I just can't explain just how right on you are....took the words right out of my mouth.
 
Yeah, we try and train them The last one we had already has his own company and is doing very well. Only reason he quiet is because his brother left and his wife wanted to move to Florida. Around here, not many arborists or Americans that will do our quiatly work. And even when we train them, their lazy, etc. This one is learning and that fall taught him to try and be more literate about safety. We've come close to firing him a few times, but kept him in the end, thinking we could work out the problems. But since winters coming up, were going to keep him for now and if he dosen't improve by spring we may fire him(winters tough for us) Were going to try and teach is brother to climb, and he would probaly make a better climber. He understands alot of stuff and hes a quick learner.
 
Hey Ranger, you could post an add on the Treebuzz and hire a trained U.S. citizen. What ever happened to Alex? Is that who you where talking about that has his own buisness now?
 
Yeah, I think he owns his own. Either that, or he is a very high up person at another tree company. And we don't really want to hire or fire anyone right now, espically going into winter, as it gets hard for us here and money becomes tight.
 
i've done some like that. i like guy ropes to ground to brace(especially on opposite side of rig and/or bracing against lean; if no lean give it some with 3:1; then back straight with truck); and free falling limbs out real smoothly for about Zer0 tree shake.

Upside down U rig; places some pull on opposite side of rig; spread across the center spar gives fair inline/balanced loading down spar; especially with Zer0/low friction supports. Run loads after free falling what weight you can; that doesn't leave tree off balanced. Think no pull on tree; and good ballasting with every move; be smooth and sneaky with deft moves like tree ninja. Low weight is also good for stabilizing. Might place guy ropes as chokes to brace weak area too. It kinda looks more like torn codom than rot? Lost weight by rip is already massive weight reduction on trunk and root leverage; but also some less balance/ballast.

i guess they proved it can be done; but still is risky buisness!
 
i think that everyone is too quick to say that the tree was too dangerous to climb....

If it had not split and was still whole, then what makes it any safer to climb? the side that was left standing was still in the same shape(structurally) as before the other side decided to "leave"...... remember the "compression side" rule?

From the pics, it does not look that scary to me.... i have taken down many trees that had internal defects that were much worse than that and did not show themselves until cut open... still i would have been carefull and taken out a lot of small pieces before roping any significant weight.
 
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If it had not split and was still whole, then what makes it any safer to climb?

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I haven't a problem with climbing it: I think rigging out of it was pushing your luck.
 
One thing I see is the guys with the saws after the thing was fell sitting on the stump with none of them with any saw chaps in sight. Were they actually present at one time or no?
 
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