Rig N' Wrench

[Steve Connally]

I was wondering if anybody is selling the set up on a sling like the abr ultra sling? I had problems in the past with the pinto and the ultra O set up so I'm not inclined to go that route. Would you recommend a steel delta link inplace of a biner if there isn't a prespliced option available? I think jeffgu has done splicing on his set up. Wondering if that option is available?

 

[NorCalBrock]

If I were to do it again - I'd get this sling:

https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=15343

And attach a delta to it.

But if you call tree stuff or email them, bet they'll make one for you.


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[treebing]

I have a 8 foot dead eye sling spliced to mine. But with a carabiner it is midline attacheable.

 

[goodaking]

For get about rigging trees. Im going to rig my kids up to this!!

 

[JeffGu]

So I've read this entire thread again. I curse you guys!

LoL... you ever see that commercial where the big caveman is ribbing the little caveman about his pointy stick? The little guy stabs him in the guts with it, and the big guy says, "I'm beginning to see the advantages of the pointy stick!"

The Rig N' Wrench is just one of those things where the usefulness isn't very obvious. It's like, this thing is stupid simple, what good is it? Then you start playing with it. And pretty soon you start trying other stuff with it, because it's such a great little setup for all kinds of stuff. Your natural skepticism is a good thing, Steve. Makes you keep reading, engaging, figuring out how it can or cannot be a good thing for you. You spend more money on stuff you really don't need if you just jump on everything new automatically.

 

[macswan]

I have a 8 foot dead eye sling spliced to mine. But with a carabiner it is midline attacheable.

Yeah, that loopie works alright, but I think I will make a dead eye for it. Maybe leave it unspliced and attach with a biner/shackle.

 

[treebing]

We were thinking it would be good for rock climbing gyms and allowing smaller people to belay larger people.

 

[monkeylove]

Maybe, maybe not Kevin. That would certainly require some testing, some of their dynamics are really stretchy. They might get so thinned out that it will lose all friction. Certainly worth a try though.

 

[JeffGu]

...allowing smaller people to belay larger people...

I've already been thinking about setting one up for an emergency system to quickly belay someone out of a tree... something tells me that a very simple, quick to deploy system could be built around this.

 

[Steve Connally]

As far as a rescue scenario, technically speaking, it doesn't pass the whistle test. I would work great I'm sure but would likely never be sanctioned due to that factor. For those who don't know the whistle test, every thing for life safety in the rescue world has to pass it. In a system with a living load on it, when you blow a whistle, everyone drops the rope and lets go. The system is required to immediately lock up so the live load doesn't quickly become a dead load(splat). However in your situation Jeffgu, it's probably perfect, and for many others as well.

Hey thanks btw guys! Good stuff. Everything is in my cart, just taunting me to hit place order. Christmas is coming and no work next week. Do I do it??????? I'm gonna come back and decide later. I will get it though.

 

[treebing]

No, I wasn't imagining it as the belay device, just an assist. It would allow a 12 year old girl to belay a 200 lbs man without being jere up the wall. She would still need a figure eight or belay device of course.

 

[monkeylove]

Gotcha, that makes more sense.

 

[Steve Connally]

Plan a. No go. Plan b is ok but wish the biner was flat

 

[MikePowers321]

will this guy fit on the pinto rig?

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=321&item=1678

 

[southsoundtree]

No, I wasn't imagining it as the belay device, just an assist. It would allow a 12 year old girl to belay a 200 lbs man without being jere up the wall. She would still need a figure eight or belay device of course.

a ground anchor is commonly on the gym floor

 

[John_KAYS]

a ground anchor is commonly on the gym floor

I think it is still a great idea. Why not make it an easier load to handle...even if the 12 year old girl was anchored to the floor.

As far as a rescue scenario, technically speaking, it doesn't pass the whistle test. I would work great I'm sure but would likely never be sanctioned due to that factor. For those who don't know the whistle test, every thing for life safety in the rescue world has to pass it. In a system with a living load on it, when you blow a whistle, everyone drops the rope and lets go. The system is required to immediately lock up so the live load doesn't quickly become a dead load(splat). However in your situation Jeffgu, it's probably perfect, and for many others as well.

And as far as the whistle test, yes it couldn't be the only thing in the lowering system. But if you had a Petzl Rig at the base of the tree and a Rig N Wrench in the system, you would have a lot less weight while bringing them down. I am imagining it would make it smoother on the Rig too.

 

[treebing]

A ground anchor is an extra step and it sucks to get pulled between the wall and a ground anchor.

 

[macswan]

will this guy fit on the pinto rig?

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=321&item=1678

Would be cool if it did

 

[MikePowers321]

Something like this might work well..

http://rigging.ychind.com/style/fra...00051&content_set=color_3&rid=54216&id=308242

 

[southsoundtree]

A ground anchor is an extra step and it sucks to get pulled between the wall and a ground anchor.

I think people commonly use the poorly, attaching the ground anchor to the rear of the harness. If the belay biner is attached to the belay loop on the harness, and the ground anchor biner is attached to the belay loop, the climber never gets beat up by a heavy climber.

People all to often want to get their life support gear intermixed into rock climbing belay systems, IME, with a technique for 'escaping the belay', like a complicated tree basal anchor, minus anybody wanting to get out a knife.