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Tom Dunlap said:
I was asked to write the chapter on Cabling and bracing for the US Forest Service manual, Urban Tree Risk Management, NA-TP03-03. See page 147 and more.
Like I said...my way of doing things.
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After in post #12, I copied and pasted the section on cabling from the link you posted, and claim to have written
you replied
Tom Dunlap said:
@Daniel

WHere did you copy post #12 from. You failed your homework assignment... big F.

Also, did you do your assigned homework from the day before...read the USFS article?
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You said you wrote the chapter on cabling: then asked me to read it.. then after I read it and go to the trouble of posting it here so the community doesn't have to look through a 200-page PDF to find the section on cabling, you have to ask where I got it? Do you not recognize your own writing? Then you go on to admonish me for not reading it... When in fact:
I read it
I posted it
and I commented on it in order to further the conversation and perhaps help the community learn something.

That's how out of it you are these days Tom.

While a few have actually tried to have an intelligent conversation about the subject of cabling, that has been drowned out by the playground name calling by pathetic losers with nothing better to do than talk crap online.

A few interesting subjects have managed to emerge from this cesspool of ugliness that you run. One, in particular, is worth discussing

Did I get this right?
The industry "experts" decided to change the definition of thinning, rather than admitting that the thinning they have been recommending as an "acceptable practice" for the past 50+ years has actually been damaging trees.

If that's true, it reflects badly on industry leadership. It's been clear that these institutions and individuals in charge have been acting out of self-interest for decades, with bloated bureaucracy and inflated prices, offering little practical value to the working man. Changing the definition of thinning to CYA, rather than removing thinning as an acceptable practice is sure to sew confusion and lead to bad outcomes for the trees for decades. That's a perfect example of how these organizations act out of self-interest to the detriment of the trees and the people trying to work on them.

If I got the facts wrong, then I take it all back...

Does anyone know...
When did the definitions get changed?
What other definitions got changed?
When was the USFS manual written? There isn't a date on the PDF

Thanks..
 
I would love to see that showdown. I have strong doubts that the big guy that likes to run a bucket will beat the fit guy that mostly climbs for real. I have had bucket babies race me for fun, and a fast climber can even beat the lift.
 
Matias said:
I would love to see that showdown. I have strong doubts that the big guy that likes to run a bucket will beat the fit guy that mostly climbs for real. I have had bucket babies race me for fun, and a fast climber can even beat the lift.
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Honestly @Matias, I let Murph run his mouth. It's all he has left. He is irrelevent on this forum. Just tolerated for our amusement. He could never speak the way he does to people in person.
 
Daniel has people skills rough edges and raises hackles. I've seen some my way. But beyond that topic material is raised. I'm unresolved on the analysis of cross bolting. Crush strength, shear forces bolt snapping etc but crossed nailed nails relying on friction analogy is wrong in my books. I recall hackles with Guy Meilluer in his time but sure informative. I pick though the noise and find what information I can. Have trouble picking sides with all parties I would consider as positive players (but Daniel tone down the rough!)

The pickup truck tree wind fellow has scads of publications online. Can't recall his name but got a kick out of his gerry rigged perseverance. Some of Daniel's hard questions should perhaps be forwarded -could result in filling in missing science. Or bring existing research to better light.

There was controversy analogizing simple stress stain mechanics to tree pulling. Something to do with root anchorage. Trunk as a uniform wooden beam seems reasonable on first pass for strain readings. Read that quite some time ago. A bit of nay saying on resistographs too. Isn't there ultrasound now too? science marching slowly forward.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Heads up

Bring the focus of discussion back to discussing rather than bickering or the lock goes on the thread.

This is directed at...everyone.
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My apologies to all. I am out on this one. Cabling is not my strength as I have never done one. So I will put my tail between my legs and walk. Carry on folk.
 
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