Crimsonking
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Who wants to keep the bills from flying away?
Quickie killer?
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Shadowscape
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Okay, since I went through all that to get a video, thought I would go after the You Tube big bucks and make one more.
Sorry about it being crappy. First I rub a rope on it to show that it releases the safety. Then I lock it back up and rub a rope on it and show that it fully opens, where the sheeve can fall out. Then I manually open it with my finger a bit and turn the pin from the other side to show how it actually pops the pin out.
I'm counting my You Tube dollars as we speak...
Sorry about it being crappy. First I rub a rope on it to show that it releases the safety. Then I lock it back up and rub a rope on it and show that it fully opens, where the sheeve can fall out. Then I manually open it with my finger a bit and turn the pin from the other side to show how it actually pops the pin out.
I'm counting my You Tube dollars as we speak...
southsoundtree
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Ahhh, No Thank You!
Shadowscape
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I was actually thinking about attaching my boat anchor to the anchor rope with it, but on second thought I sort of like that anchor and don't want to lose it.
At a minimum a few of us spent our money so the rest of you don't have to. And maybe we might save someone's life. Let's hope the word spreads fast enough so that doesn't happen. I have notified ISC of my reviews.
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I agree that all looks scary. Just like Ryan Jenks from. "HowNotTo" opening every carabiner known to man with rope or one handed.
I'd have to see it to believe but I'm Def not buying one.
Another big issue I see is that when using the quickie, there is a proper orientation of the slip pin when using a clinching anchor... the flat side rested on the tree and the the latches on the other side are away from the tree much like bow shackles we use in crane picks.
I don't ever need glasses and I know I have a hard time seeing if my quickie maintained its proper position on the way up the rope to the anchor. So idk how the hell anybody is gonna be able to see if this thing is properly configured unless it's close by like when blocking down a stem....
I'd have to see it to believe but I'm Def not buying one.
Another big issue I see is that when using the quickie, there is a proper orientation of the slip pin when using a clinching anchor... the flat side rested on the tree and the the latches on the other side are away from the tree much like bow shackles we use in crane picks.
I don't ever need glasses and I know I have a hard time seeing if my quickie maintained its proper position on the way up the rope to the anchor. So idk how the hell anybody is gonna be able to see if this thing is properly configured unless it's close by like when blocking down a stem....
Shadowscape
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I understand what you are saying. Just to let you know, I just got this today. I did not practice any of this. First time I ran the rope across it, it failed. And every time there after. One of the problems I see is they knurled the pin knob heavily. That grabs the rope, or branch when it comes in contact with it forcing it to turn to the unlocked position. Then the spring pops the pin out. Sort of a built in failing mechanism.
Steve Connally
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Like, take a few days off the Buzz and the shit hits the fan. Yup I'll stick with my cumbersome quickie I've loved since day 1!!!
Crimsonking
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Just bought another quickie last night. I've owned a total of 5 not including last night's purchase. Some were given or traded, then my two milled ones were both lost- one from rolling out of my caritool while climbing in a forested area, and one left in the grass when packing up in the dark from a rec climb. Hoping the new one decides to stick around. I like the cumbersome connector!
treebing
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One of the greatest things about the quickie from my point of view is how easy they are to lose! Lol.
Bendroctanus
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Guy working for me picked up two quickies I had laying on the ground next to my saddle and said, “You have two of these??” To which I said, “Heck yeah! And I could use a few more.”
Chris Schultz
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@Boomslang I love this video! I amost feel like the scene where it cuts to the small explosion, should look more like an atomic bomb going off.
Shadowscape
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Don't try it. One of the pin detents falls into the center of the sheeve when you try and pull it out and you are done for. Done that already for you. Just a way to wreck your Quickie and the spool of this new contraption. Finally got the pin out by hammering it out. Wrecked it and the bushing of the spool.
It does fit on your Quickie, but it then becomes a permanent closed pulley. Forever!
It does fit on your Quickie, but it then becomes a permanent closed pulley. Forever!
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Lignotuber
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Idk, I feel like a bit of a dummy for not waiting but just got mine and playing around with it it doesn't seem as bad as what everyone is putting it out to be. Would be nice to have a bit of extra security but also nice how easily you can open it up. Obviously be aware of keeping the pin up or neutral, other than that it seems pretty unlikely to pop open. Maybe I just have a higher risk tolerance but I feel totally comfortable putting it into practice and finding it's quirks and limitations. Hope to get a climb in this week but yeah, definitely keeping the quickie!
As previously mentioned, this reminds me of HowNot2's spree of spreading gear fear opening just about every imaginable carabiner with a rope including triple and quad lockers lol.
Also, grove on mine isn't really that sharp and faces front where it's pretty unlikely to encounter much rubbing. And my pulley doesn't fall out, takes a jiggle or two with fingers. It's the small model.
As previously mentioned, this reminds me of HowNot2's spree of spreading gear fear opening just about every imaginable carabiner with a rope including triple and quad lockers lol.
Also, grove on mine isn't really that sharp and faces front where it's pretty unlikely to encounter much rubbing. And my pulley doesn't fall out, takes a jiggle or two with fingers. It's the small model.
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ATH
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you couldn't push it "forward" again? Then figure out a way to hold the quickie's detents down? (scotch tape, maybe freeze it down in water???) Or if it is going to be destroyed anyhow, save the pulley thing and cut the pin of the quickie.
Shadowscape
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Tried the tape thing. Didn't work. Tried slipping in some thin shim stock. Didn't work for me. Probably could have sawed through the Quickie pin but that was more valuable to me than the new UltraLink. My thought on pounding was it might shear some of the bushing out of the spool and the pin would be alright. But it damaged the detents of the pin as well.
@Lignotuber Before you use it for a redirect where it will be out of sight, rub a rope across it. Or rub it against a limb, because that is what it will be doing when you are using it. Then make your decision as to whether you want to trust your life to it. Please!
And remember, The guy that does the How Not To stuff is a rock climber. His stuff is interesting to watch, but remember, rock climbers are backed up every few feet so if something fails they get caught by the next piece of equipment in the system. Heck, they fall all the time, bounce on their dynamic ropes and yell, YeeeHeeee, that was a blast! If you are using this for a redirect and it fails, you are going to hit the ground.
There is really very little in common with rock climbing and tree climbing except that we both use some of the same equipment. And this fellow figured out how to open carabiners with a rope by the angles needed, the speed needed, and lots of practice. This UltraLink only takes a rope, or a branch rubbing in one direction against the side. And that will eventually happen.
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Lignotuber
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thanks for the concern, I don't use equipment for redirects mostly beasthorn style or natural. I'd be using it as a primary choked anchor and maybe play with it as a chest roller. I choked it off on several limbs/stems and it oriented favorably every time I pulled it down or slacked it for like 5 minutes. I was especially impressed when I made a tight alpine butterfly and popped the pulley side in there, takes some of the benefits but oriented perfectly every time. Even in some weird situation where the pin is released, it looks like it would still be oriented in a manner where it's not going to easily fall out if set up properly.
I think Ryan primarily considers himself a highliner, known him since before he started the channels. The binder clips seemed to be more just for comedy and views as they are very specific situations that you're not likely to encounter in the real world. But even in sport or trad rock climbing, routes do have sketch no fall zones and pieces do pull out or rock fails, plenty of accidents and deaths. He's done free solo's and some pretty sketch stuff but like most of us, yeah if you can back it up that's a great habit.That's one of the allures of stuff like TRT, basal anchors, and some redirects or canobase setups. Anyways, more experimenting to do and definitely will be cautious but not immediately dismissing it as a tool. Appreciate the concerns, I hope ISC can put in an official statement at some point soon..
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Geez. Lordy the saga gets worse. Plot thickens.
Unlikely is not really the kind of terminology one wants to see when discussing life support systems.
And no matter how "unlikely" you think it is that is exactly what happened when an experienced climber used this deeply flawed device as a canopy anchor. I wonder is the poor fella is still digging around the brush searching the his fucking sheeve?
https://www.instagram.com/adam_acer...d&ig_rid=85a0537c-7057-422b-9c3d-269342f5eccb
I know we are all grown ass men with free will, but why trade an ounce of safety for a little conveneince?
