Petzl Zig Zag update, again...

Both of mine are still okay also. To clarify that that though I have to say that I have never ran anything under 12mm in them. I do mostly horizontal work with the zigs, all my up and down is usally unicender. But as we all know they are rough on limb walks and tending from the underside.
 
with all due respect to all of you climbing on zigzags, your all nuts for still hanging off of those things.
this is just one arborist concerned for other arborists, so dont take this the wrong way guys, but you dont feel like your rolling the dice? even a little bit?
does it function that great where you can justify throwing hard earned $ at a shit product? its hard to argue for petzl that its not to me when i just keep hearing they all break / fracture/ whatever at the same points.
dont let me catch you guys in the awakening threads.
 
I think folks that buy lottery tickets are nuts. (winners excluded, of course).
In the whole continuum of what I do that could land me in a hospital bed, (or pine box), the spectre of a catastrophic ZZ failure doesn't faze me. Mebbe it should; I dunno. Am very pleased with the product, and glad I gave them another chance.
 
Gotta second Pelorus. The sky is not falling. How many of these have we heard of that are breaking but not failing? I remember Luke telling me he ordered something like 300 of them on the second batch. There are so many other variables that you aren't considering. What if the splice on your line has an issue? What if a piece of webbing over a buckle on your saddle has been chaffing and finally lets go? What if there is a microscopic crack in the friction saver? What if anything. How is it shit? I'm not picking an argument with you but my 2012 dodge has a recall on it because the steering whatchamijigger could break and result in an accident. Should I trash the truck and never buy a dodge again? I think the prussic guys are doubters and are looking for a reason to say mechanical is all bad. Every piece of gear is subject to failure. Gear inspection is necessary for everything and even if it does fail, you're not gonna take a fast trip to the root system anyway. Not the way its designed anyway. Just an opinion from a guy who has completely changed his climbing style based on this product. Heck I've even started working on SRT again because of how smooth this device has slack run through it. The anchor bridge system and the ZZ are the most revolutionary items that have made a huge impact on my climbing.
 
Where I have a problem is that in it's short life there have been 3 issues. For the money, I'll wait before dropping the dime on it. There are too many other products out there and in development that are have proven themselves. As for the argument that other stuff can fail, sure, but their track records are better.
 
yoyoman said:
It is smooth, consistent, compact and light weight and yes, I agree 100%, reliability!!!! It is my fricking life Petzl, respect it! (My time and money would be nice too)
CMI, DMM, come on, change one little thing and make one we can use and trust.
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Have you heard back yet? I had to contact them before about my Sequoia and I believe Luke from TreeStuff had them call me. They got back pretty quickly.

I guess you were kidding about buying another but couldn't tell for sure. Sounds like Petzl will replace it at no charge, right?
 
This is from the July 23rd update.

Petzl technical analysis:
Petzl has identified the root causes of the appearance of these cracks. They are the result of a
combination of three parameters:
• Riveting parameters on one side that create potential residual tensile stress in the friction chain link.
• The small cross section of the link near the rivet position.
• Heat treatment that results in this part being too rigid.
 
Like the old Jaguar Type E V12, great vehicle if you could keep it running. Who is beta testing the RR and has had a chance to compare it to the ZZ?
 
Guys,

I’d like to hear if you think using the ZZ as a lanyard adjuster is a mis-configuration of the device?

In another thread, I posted to Monkeylove asking about using the ZZ in a “climbing in a loop” rig:

Monkey,
I have the ZZ, tried it, and this is a definite NO GO.
Petzl says don’t use it for SRT. I believe this is NOT due to the usual “hitch release” issues. Watch carefully when you release the lead end of your climbing line from the “normal” connection hole. You will see the ZZ re-orient itself and drive the connection eye up against the end of its travel. In that configuration. You are literally trying to “bend the pin”. No, no, no.
I like the ZZ, particularly for a lanyard/climbing line combo. But definitely not for this.
OF
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Then today, I shifted my ZZ to my side Ds to get past a branch and it dawned on me that I was doing exactly the same thing!! On my hip, the ZZ body rotated and drove the swivel pin against one of the travel stops. The only difference I can see is that a lanyard isn’t typically loaded as heavily as a climbing system. But still …

Am I being an old lady here? Petzl says no SRT but it doesn't specifically talk about the travel extremes of the swivel. If this turns out to be a no-no, my ZZ could be available soon. Cheap. It’s a very serious loss of function, in my view.

OF
 
I have zillon Tom and it works well, I would have to agree that as a lanyard the Zig would not be my first choice due to the swivel pin. I use it all the time for work positioning but never on the side rings as a lanyard. More of an Srt primary with a Ddrt second tie in. If I need that 3rd temporary position then I lanyard in with the Zillon on the sides.
 
You can't really compare the zz and the RR as they are designed for different tasks. The RR is also midline attachable which adds bulk but totally worth it as sometimes being able to switch lines is key. I do know a few people running a zig zag with a wrench with great success. I think it's a good looking tool.
 
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