Outlaw saws

[Barc Buster]

If you're serious with your "maybe I came in too rude" excuse maybe this isn't the attitude to take to try to save face. Just saying. This is the most friendly tree forum by far and we're all like family here looking out for each other and you've came in on the wrong foot. Maybe reverse course and try a different approach? This way isn't going to change any of our minds ABOUT YOU no matter how many people pop in and say they use one of these saws...

You came in pretty hot with the attitude from the start too bud. Robin is a pretty respectable member on many other forums. As a mod over at opeforum, I've never seen bad feedback from one of his sales.

 

[96coal449]

You came in pretty hot with the attitude from the start too bud. Robin is a pretty respectable member on many other forums. As a mod over at opeforum, I've never seen bad feedback from one of his sales.

That's great and all ..... but Robin came in here without introducing himself. He then had a couple posts about "outlawed saws." Then when some posted about the authenticity of his statements, he resorted into a name calling and down playing a well known members intelligence.

That's where I piped in.

We've all gotten off on the wrong foot before ........
I hope that is simply the case here.

 

[Barc Buster]

We've all gotten off on the wrong foot

That's an understatement. My point is the very first response to this thread is one big insinuation that the guy is a liar/counterfeiter. When that was pointed out as false his balls were still busted. Y'all piled on pretty fast. Seems real friendly no? How would you react if someone rolled up to your jobsite and started questioning your credentials? How about if they did it in your second or third spoken language? I'd probably shoot you some shade too.

I'll restate and stand by my position that: as a mod over at opeforum I've never heard of a bad deal with Robin. Feel free to hit me up over there if you don't believe I am being truthful. I go by the handle Woodpecker.

 

[Cereal_Killer]

You came in pretty hot with the attitude from the start too bud.

Damn straight, we're all blue collar, hard working, mostly type A personalities here. I respect work and try to look out for my fellow working man, arborist or other. So when I see something off, even if the person who may be harmed is a direct competitor you can bet you ass I'm gonna stick up for him.

Would you buy something from a store you walk into and the greeter / counter person gets in an argument with you when questioned? Hell no, you'd walk out! He may be legit on your site but he's unknown here, why not start off with an intro instead of how he started? He could of posted a 2 sentence intro, maybe point to the forum you speak of as reference and I wouldn't of called him out in the first place. Also as I mentioned in my 2nd posy his name didn't sit right, now I'm all for a funny pun name (did ya see mine) but Robin Wood, as in steal from the rich and give to the poor? Or maybe that's his real God given name, I wouldn't know cause he didn't introduce himself...


One other point, through my wife's job in pretty well versed in Chinese counterfeiting and the phrase "OEM manufactured" is 99% of the time a dead give away so when I saw that it really made my skin crawl. If they're real use the term "stihl made" (let's stick to just these saws for this point since we were concentrating on the stihl at that part of the convo) or "stihl licensed" or anything along those lines. "OEM manufactured" is a term usually used to skirt around the fact that while yes an item was produced in the same factory and even on the same assembly line as legit branded stuff it wasn't "on the books" and is therefore a knock off counterfeit of the original, even if it's literally the next unit off the line right after a real product order. This is a super common occurrence in the black market Chinese / Asian manufacturing sector. Same factory, just not legit.

I'm not sorry for coming off strong, I would however be more than happy to give the guy a second chance if he wants to try again...

 

[Mowerr]

So it's legal for these units to ship here but you just can't use them here in USA?

 

[Barc Buster]

Damn straight, we're all blue collar, hard working, mostly type A personalities here. I respect work and try to look out for my fellow working man, arborist or other. So when I see something off, even if the person who may be harmed is a direct competitor you can bet you ass I'm gonna stick up for him.

Would you buy something from a store you walk into and the greeter / counter person gets in an argument with you when questioned? Hell no, you'd walk out! He may be legit on your site but he's unknown here, why not start off with an intro instead of how he started? He could of posted a 2 sentence intro, maybe point to the forum you speak of as reference and I wouldn't of called him out in the first place. Also as I mentioned in my 2nd posy his name didn't sit right, now I'm all for a funny pun name (did ya see mine) but Robin Wood, as in steal from the rich and give to the poor? Or maybe that's his real God given name, I wouldn't know cause he didn't introduce himself...


One other point, through my wife's job in pretty well versed in Chinese counterfeiting and the phrase "OEM manufactured" is 99% of the time a dead give away so when I saw that it really made my skin crawl. If they're real use the term "stihl made" (let's stick to just these saws for this point since we were concentrating on the stihl at that part of the convo) or "stihl licensed" or anything along those lines. "OEM manufactured" is a term usually used to skirt around the fact that while yes an item was produced in the same factory and even on the same assembly line as legit branded stuff it wasn't "on the books" and is therefore a knock off counterfeit of the original, even if it's literally the next unit off the line right after a real product order. This is a super common occurrence in the black market Chinese / Asian manufacturing sector. Same factory, just not legit.

I'm not sorry for coming off strong, I would however be more than happy to give the guy a second chance if he wants to try again...

I really don't have any vested interest here other than as a bystander who happened upon the thread because of the title. I recognize Robin from AS and we just went through a similar witch hunt on the opeforum awhile ago.

Hell in your defense had I not been forearmed with that knowledge I might have been inclined to support your position. If it was you wrongfully being picked on by a crowd though, I definitely would have stuck up for you. But really it's a bad look for all parties involved at this point.

I can say the mod team over at opeforum (which is a largely chainsaw porting/modding site) have to deal with counterfeit saws and scams quite often. The pictures of the saws here are correct for their respective models. The 650 is a 660 sold in other countries with a different slimmer rear handle. It is/was a legit stihl international offering. These saws can be sold in these countries because there are no regulations for saw emissions there. And with that I've exhausted my desire to spend my limited free time on the subject.

 

[decreppo]

I’m kind of interested in this topic. What type of emissions hardware are on our US saws? What’s the performances boost from Not having those restrictions in the other saws?anyone try two similar saws, one emission free, one US model and notice a difference?

 

[96coal449]

Y'all piled on pretty fast.

I wouldn't have said nothing at all save for he did go after a fellow member.
He already seemed to have acknowledge this with an after post which I gave him a thumbs up on.
It's all good........

 

[Reach]

I am willing to admit when I am wrong, and in this case it appears that I am. My apologies for thinking these saws are counterfeits, they looked like it to me. I did not realize Stihl still made some of the old models for other countries.

I will still not buy them though, and I have a problem with saws being sold on TreeBay to buyers in the US that are not legal to sell in the US due to their emissions regulations.

 

[Robin Wood]

Look here guys i didnt mean to be rude, im sorry if I've offended anyone on my first post without introducing myself. I take back my sarcastic words, i feel you guys. I've been cheated with fake stuffs too, come to think about it. So much untill i was fire 1st ask questions later, i guess it gets to us when we get burned a number of times.

@Barc Buster thanks alot for backing me up, its good to know there are other members from forums outside. I owe you one, if it wasnt for you i guess the crowd would've almost confirmed im a scammer and kicked me out lol

Again sorry everyone for the rude entrance, that being said ask me questions. Have a nice day

 

[Robin Wood]

Took some pics of serial and stuff while i was preparing shipment for states, 372xp oe

 

[flushcut]

Regardless of the earlier drama, welcome.
Robin, how about sharing some prices?

 

[Robin Wood]

Regardless of the earlier drama, welcome.
Robin, how about sharing some prices?

Hi there, I'll need to know your country before quoting prices. PM should be good

 

[flushcut]

Personally I am not in the market for a saw at this time. But it might help with sales.

 

[Njdelaney]

FWIW I used to frequent Arboristsite when looking to purchase saw parts or used saws. I stopped using that forum because the views and politics of many folks on there didn't jive with me and it spilled into everything, even for sale threads. However, this seller is a known quantity on that site and although I have never purchased anything from him personally, I have read many posts from satisfied buyers. In regards to the ethical question of emissions regulations and US rules, it seems that as soon as you muffler mod a saw you have already decided that you aren't concerned about those rules, never mind porting and other performance modifications. Just playing devil's advocate here.

 

[Roger_Barnett]

The appearance of the “Stihl” saws is not right, they’re clearly not real Stihls. Some of the models are long out of date, others are non existent. I’ve never heard of a Stihl 650 for example.

FYI: https://m.stihlusa.com/webcontent/c...tihl-ms-650-660-owners-instruction-manual.pdf

 

[Robin Wood]

End of an era, 660 are officially NLA in 3rd world countries

 

[Robin Wood]

Echo cs1201. Beast from the east, headed to a customer from UK

 

[brydan]

I’m kind of interested in this topic. What type of emissions hardware are on our US saws? What’s the performances boost from Not having those restrictions in the other saws?anyone try two similar saws, one emission free, one US model and notice a difference?

This was close to 20 years ago now in CA but the company I worked for had some 3120's and one day when I brought one into the shop for repairs the dealer told me they rarely see a 3120's anymore because of all the overheating problems. After I told him ours ran like a top and never had a problem he explained that ours came from out of state with the original carb on them, not the CA compliant carb so that's why they worked. He said CA dealers at the time had all but stopped selling them because of all the problems. That was the story as I recall it anyway

As far as overseas stuff in general, some times when companies make stuff for foreign markets it's with cost cutting measures in mind. What the North American and European markets are willing to pay for new tech is very different than what the markets will bear in other parts of the world. I don't know anything about the foreign chainsaw market specifically but it's possible that cost issues have more to do with saw companies still offering older models for sale rather than it simply being an issue of different emissions requirements. I would be interested to hear what Robin's thoughts are on it.

 

[Robin Wood]

This was close to 20 years ago now in CA but the company I worked for had some 3120's and one day when I brought one into the shop for repairs the dealer told me they rarely see a 3120's anymore because of all the overheating problems. After I told him ours ran like a top and never had a problem he explained that ours came from out of state with the original carb on them, not the CA compliant carb so that's why they worked. He said CA dealers at the time had all but stopped selling them because of all the problems. That was the story as I recall it anyway

As far as overseas stuff in general, some times when companies make stuff for foreign markets it's with cost cutting measures in mind. What the North American and European markets are willing to pay for new tech is very different than what the markets will bear in other parts of the world. I don't know anything about the foreign chainsaw market specifically but it's possible that cost issues have more to do with saw companies still offering older models for sale rather than it simply being an issue of different emissions requirements. I would be interested to hear what Robin's thoughts are on it.

Its a very interesting discussion for me, i have my own theories and can talk about all the itty bitty details for days. Here's something about 3120 that might interest you folks, this a non epa model with no chain brake. Thats a parts saw i assembled together to show a guy something in our conversation.

If you noticed, the absence of chain brake allows greater space for air to travel outside from cylinder fins. More air exit = more cooler saw, the ones sold in epa regulated countries the chain brake gets in the way and obstructs serious air movement. Which should cause cylinder heating in long cuts or milling. I've got few models lined up to show the difference of this issue, 070 and 1201 is favourite big saws in my country and check how the design looks like.

I believe the models offered here are more robust and are tried and true, the ones you folks get up there are new techs and often times are tested in the market. Just like how stihl decided to offer ms661 carb version again after some years.

Cost saving by still offering in 3rd world countries is true, by keeping the same model alive and not changing the production line the same they make more money than changing to a new model.

Bottom line, the newer models dont last as long as old ones. They're fun to run for sure, the reduced longevity lets manufacturers to sell more. If it wasnt for the demand for old models i wouldn't be around, that tells you something