New to the forum, new to trees

I learned a lot early on by trial and error with no in person teacher. It was slow going, but I had to figure it out so I did. Definitely see if you can find a tree service go out and watch how they get into things. I watched everything I could find on youtube. I spent two years climbing occasionally and thinking through every manuever for hours until I could move through the whole sequence in my mind at real time pace.

I will say, I started learning a lot faster when I got a job climbing for a couple tree services. Nothing like practicing for 20-40 hours a week.
 
You cannot take "lessons" from "us". That doesn't work, too much conflicting information. Aerial Traveler is excellent to study. TreeFool is good but tries too hard to implement the rock/alpine minimalist approach. You need to know in your body and mind what tree climbing is about before paring down gear to follow minimalist ideas. Putting minimalism first is cart before the horse. As others have mentioned, go simple with well accepted and reliable rope and gear designed for tree climbing. You'll have plenty of time to innovate later. Stitchitch lanyard is cool but do you know why you would actually use it? Not yet.

I never have and never will stress test a limb or tree to failure. It's useful in very specific constrained experiments but has zero application for a beginner or intermediate rec climber. Focus your studies in this area on tree structure/anatomy and biology. Learn about the basic structural differences between conifers and broadleaf/deciduous species. Go out into the woods and look at all of the failed limbs and trees, and all the ways they fail, will teach you a lot. This is tree forensics. Look at a broken off hollow limb with plenty of branches and foliage on it. Why did it fail? Where did it fail in relation to the main trunk? You can find someone somewhere who will tell you that this or that tree species is too dangerous to climb. You'll eventually find out that every tree species is too dangerous to climb in some person's mind. It's about the tree's context and condition no matter what the species, this is the way forward understanding what's safe to climb and what isn't.

No need to be cheap about it, dynamic lines have very poor characteristics for tree climbing lanyard use. Sure, you can make it work but a total PIA. You can buy an excellent 11mm double-braid supple arb rope by the foot from Wesspur (or elsewhere) and build a simple and sweet lanyard that you will love without at first knowing why but will grow to understand why. Put a double locker triple action alloy carabiner on the end secured with a double overhand knot, gives you a full range of options. Rope snaps on a lanyard are for removals and major pruning work, they'll frustrate you with their limitations. Here we go, them's fighting words for working climbers ;-) This is not work climbing this is rec climbing. A tree worker's rec climbing is different, more about practicing for competition. Mileage varies but the tree worker climbs they way they do for a reason, their core technique and overall thinking is about work climbing whether they're working or rec'ing, has to be that way. Bear that in mind.
-AJ
 
Stitchitch lanyard is cool but do you know why you would actually use it? Not yet.
I wonder what you're implying here. The Sticht Hitch interests me because I would like to eliminate the pulley if I can, and I want a hitch that doesn't bind under full weight if I need to SRT the lanyard without having to de-load the hitch with a Rope Wrench or similar device.
 
Using throwline in the canopy can be frustrating but necessary at times. A recycled fishing reel helps me manage my throwline in the canopy.
That's very cool. Is anything close to that currently made? How how hard and expensive are these to get?

The minor mishap at 7:20 here is the soft of thing I am hoping people will warn me of. Would attaching a throwline and keeping some tension be a good way to avoid that?

The book gets here tomorrow.
 
Chalkline box works great for in-tree throwline. Mine is loaded with small throwline. Look in the pic. There is a tiny loop in the choking loop. That makes it easy to take out the throwbag

The white paracord is the wrist lanyard. there is a stopper knot so that the whole works hangs while the climber gets a line set

Search 'little shot' to see the in-tree launcher I made.
 
I wonder what you're implying here. The Sticht Hitch interests me because I would like to eliminate the pulley if I can, and I want a hitch that doesn't bind under full weight if I need to SRT the lanyard without having to de-load the hitch with a Rope Wrench or similar device.
I'm not talking about the merits of specific gear or technique, more about the idea that experience setting lines and being in a tree are more important than refining gear configurations at the beginning. It's been argued endlessly but learning to climb and advance in the tree on a Blake's Hitch system (for example) will give a new climber the opportunity to climb on a very effective/safe setup with a minimum of gear and complications. As a climber gains practical experience setting lines and climbing they'll understand beyond the theoretical why one or another climbing system makes sense for them. Every climber benefits from having Blake's Hitch climbing technique in their mental toolbox.
-AJ
 
Last edited:
Would you trust Blue Water 7mm Dynamic Prusik Cord as hitch cord on a 20 foot lanyard?

Elongation:
@ 300 lbf = 17.9%
@ 600 lbf = 29.0%
@1000 lbf = 38.8%
Diameter: 7mm
Grams Per Meter: 35
Tensile Strength: 2,360 lbf (10.4 kN)
 
Would you trust Blue Water 7mm Dynamic Prusik Cord as hitch cord on a 20 foot lanyard?

Elongation:
@ 300 lbf = 17.9%
@ 600 lbf = 29.0%
@1000 lbf = 38.8%
Diameter: 7mm
Grams Per Meter: 35
Tensile Strength: 2,360 lbf (10.4 kN)
It's probably good enough, but why? Prusik cordage can be gotten for about a buck a foot...
 
I only bought enough 8mm Ocean Polyester for one hitch and I already have the Blue Water cord. Shipping is prohibitive if it's the only item I am ordering.
 
I only bought enough 8mm Ocean Polyester for one hitch and I already have the Blue Water cord. Shipping is prohibitive if it's the only item I am ordering.
skinny cordage will bite harder, and maybe bind up on you more frequently, but I have seen slimmer ropes work well enough. Treestuff will ship a small order for free if you enter a coupon code, which they list on the site.
 
@levi r Thanks for asking. There haven't been any recently as I have been spending myself hiking and wading.

The trees in the local park that were good for climbing in winter leafed out into bushy oaks by summer and I decided I couldn't climb those safely even if I wanted to as I could not evaluate TIPs.

My stubbornness of using a rock harness made hanging about uncomfortable as everyone including me knew it would, but I was doing a lot more of that than I hoped to be. I found two-lanyard climbing significantly harder than expected as the next safe branch was often hard to get a rope over from the one I was on.

I fully intend to continue but I need to find some other trees and I may need to spend more on equipment. I'll post here the next time I go out.
 

New threads New posts

Kask Stihl NORTHEASTERN Arborists Wesspur TreeStuff.com Teufelberger Westminster X-Rigging Teufelberger
Back
Top Bottom