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This whole stupid argument with you started over some strong words and semantics. You and I are probably much more alike than it looks like from this ridiculous banter. It's so easy to point fingers and assume how other people are when it's in cyberspace.

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Tom, Your maturity has shamed me/us.

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Anyone have a tiered system for rates?

For example, lately I find myself bidding a higher hourly rate for the lower hour jobs. And a lower hourly rate for the higher hour jobs. I seem to be getting my daily quota (when I have the work) and I'm still remaining competitive.

I used to be pretty solid with not fluctuating my hourly rate. But, in these times, I'm not looking to make a higher profit. I'm happy to pay bills. I think it is a good compromise right now.
 
I've used this approach as the cost of set up and travel is relatively larger proportion of the price.

Yep, margin shrinks when the volume diminishes. I figure I'll take more time to close on the bid then just leave a price and hope they go with me.
 
I have to tell you all. We did a small stump this morning. Got a call, the guy sounded serious, work for us is very scarce, we went right over, arranged a $100.00 price, did the job in a half hour and left.

I said to the guy, how did you find out about us? He said, the yellow pages. I said, what made you pick us out. He said, I went down the list,(we are the fifth dollar bill sized ad) no one else would answer the phone or return my call...

So how could jobs be scarce?
 
I did a front yard stump with a 7' peg on it. about 14" for over $400 because nobody locally would be bothered with it. Even the company that did the initial removal. They were completely happy to pay the money. I had to rent a truck and stumper to do it and then my time. The other companies they called had been told they were prepared to pay that much...

I bet they wish they had that job now.
 
I have plenty of Peace in my life friend , the "his" part just kills me . This summer will be alot different from others , and this thread will continue into the fall .
 
Jamin this year my numbers seem to be all over the place. Did a big red oak on tue for another tree co for 3500. Hate to say but that has been my best day so far this year. I seem to be working for 2000+/- a day, seems to be the norm. At least the work has been steady just have to really sell it competitively.
 

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Having to lower prices to accommodate all of the "jakelegs" in this town...it is a struggle for all of us legitimate companies to survive out here, meaning the ones who actually have a state license, gen liabilty insurance, worker's comp, occupational licensures, and pay their taxes. The companies who pay their employees with payroll checks and file quarterly returns with the IRS and pay 940 taxes, along with state withholding taxes, & SUI. "Fly by nights" might make it through this recession because they have no damn overhead. Thank gosh all of my equipment is paid for...but then, you have to play the games with the DEQ around here too! Running an EPA blower, permits, and the other crap these "jakelegs" don't have to fool with...just wish it was a level playing field for everyone instead of enforcement of rules/laws on some people and not on others...
 
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I know this one guy who does a few cash jobs now and then to help out in these bad times.

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I know I'm loosing a lot of jobs to guys like that...
 
It is NOT just an American problem, I have about 10 NEW small operations pop up in the area we work too!

My equipment is paid for, I will work it enough to keep the lot rot from setting in, If I wait long enough, someone will have a boo-boo with NO insurance, and WE will look like a bargin again. I hope none of these new start-up guys gets killed while on a vertical learning curve.
 
"lot rot".

Oh man. Around here when a vehicle or piece of equipment starts to lose air and sits there on flat tires...

pretty much means that it's begun the death process.
 
I do NOT mean the tires. When trucks (especially diesel trucks with air brakes) sit for an extended period of time, Air valves (quick release,parking....) begin to dry out and leak. Hoses for the engine cooling system, and air conditioning begin to seep. AND batteries lose cranking amps, usually due to some stupid digital clock somewhere, this is what I am referring to.

Next time you have some spare time, take a run around to a used truck place. You can tell how long they have been sitting, by whats on the ground around 'em.

Up here in the frozen North, seals on water pumps leak during the winter. We start our field tractors, and combine, up a couple times (on warm days) to lube the seals on the water pumps and air conditioners.

Back to the issue at hand, at least we have this equipment (and know how to use it), our NEW competitors have a 1/2 ton, ladder and a saw. They also are working for peanuts, as some don't have Business licences, insurance or tax remittance numbers. There is the ODD one that does know something about trees and their care, most remove every tree they see, or worse, top 'em.

I have a very small operation, just my wife and me. We are NOT going to prostitute ourselves, and work for the sake of working. I have a very loyal client base, who I have helped educate in the art and science of tree care. In my part of the world, with the majority of people in the ag industry, MOST of our work is the result of the client NOT being able to do it themselves.

I wish these new operations luck, the bar is set pretty high when your rookie job is removing a 100' ft tree over a home, and hemmed in by 3 power lines.
 
I sympathize with you.

Texas has lot's of equipment just sitting outside, unprotected. But the sun can shorten the life of all things rubber and turns Arboplex(tm) brittle.

There's definately an explosion of people willing to secure work to ammend - or replace whatever they depended on before. Locally we've made efforts to spread some work around (trying to avoid the obviously dangerous operators). Instead of four stump grinders in and around town, there are now two. My bids for removal are reduced, for example, and I have a fencing contractor who maintains a stump business to follow-up on my contracts...in return he refers all his tree inquiries to me. His liability is reduced for no longer doing treework above six feet, and my phone is ringing more...he's happy and so am I.

If there ARE hacks sneaking about, might be an idea to talk to them - jobs they can not do, cut them a percentage of referral. On jobs you wouldn'[t like to be bothered by, pass out their cards. Or sub your climbing to them, then leave quickly (so the owner never knows who you were). Or you can turn them in for violations, get a feel for it.

It's a new question of not dreaming anymore of projecting growth and expansion, rather subsist and survive...for the interim anyway. That's how I'm thinking lately. After a lifetime of competition and a culture of the same that pretty much got us all here...co-operation seems to be a better overall reality.

Cattle ranching here is obsolete after 160 years, farming is impossible unless it's for local need's production and distribution. Sea changes in how things were always done, how well we adapt will determine success or failure.

In the meantime, probably some shelter and jacked-up on blocks the equipment we're no longer able to justify.
 

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