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When treeage first came out, there was talk about the average industry standard cost being around $10 per DBH inch, but that was before Covid before everything got turned upside down.

I know it might not be something everyone wants to share, but what would you say the new industry averages are for treating ash trees with the treeage products these days?
 
There was a boom bust cycle in our area where only treeazin (? the neem oil one) was allowed (pesticide ban) and mafia like pricing quadrupled at the peak before basically every last tree died or was allowed to die. That's quadruple the profitable price. Treatment market is basically zero now.

edit - that's EAB treatment
 
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Bart_ said:
There was a boom bust cycle in our area where only treeazin (? the neem oil one) was allowed (pesticide ban) and mafia like pricing quadrupled at the peak before basically every last tree died or was allowed to die. That's quadruple the profitable price. Treatment market is basically zero now.
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not sure if that makes me more sad or more angry
 
Bart_ said:
There was a boom bust cycle in our area where only treeazin (? the neem oil one) was allowed (pesticide ban) and mafia like pricing quadrupled at the peak before basically every last tree died or was allowed to die. That's quadruple the profitable price. Treatment market is basically zero now.
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That’s pretty frustrating. Are you located in Canada? I know up there is a big challenge.
 
Toronto. I once kept the newspaper page of the 30 square block EAB ground zero map, which ironically, I later took out about 5 ashes on a monoculture crescent right inside that zone that were OG trees from the development in 1967 as a local informed me. Now all of southwest Ontario is infested, many hundreds of km. At a buddy's cottage 150 km north he lost about 10 trees, about 5 years ago.
 
Bart_ said:
Toronto. I once kept the newspaper page of the 30 square block EAB ground zero map, which ironically, I later took out about 5 ashes on a monoculture crescent right inside that zone that were OG trees from the development in 1967 as a local informed me. Now all of southwest Ontario is infested, many hundreds of km. At a buddy's cottage 150 km north he lost about 10 trees, about 5 years ago.
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I work in Canada occasionally and got a crash course on the challenges. Are imidicloprid or even dinotefuran products just not available? It was my understanding imidicloprid could be used, but it was next to impossible to get.
 
ATH said:
I haven't heard anything lately about the predators.

As for if you leave an untreated tree nearby: you are still protecting the trees you are protecting. And maybe the neighbors too.

One small case study: I have a client who we've been treating for I think 18 years. Neighbor's tree never treated. All trees about the same size when we started. Client trees have gone from about 16" to 28". I haven't put a tape on the neighbor's tree but it started about the same size any may be 18-20" now and maybe a little more than half as tall. Always dead tips sticking out of the top, but it lives on. My best guess is enough adults go back and forth that they cannot build a big enough population to finish that other tree off. No sign of unexpected dieback on client's trees.
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Interesting, any chance of a root graft?
 
Pesticides for homeowners are banned including lawn weed control but certain ones are apparently available to licensed professionals. A pro gassed me one day with overspray and evaporation spraying a nearby cedar hedge for mosquitoes but he did put up a tiny sign on the lawn indistinguishable from the Fiesta warning signs. Can't remember the chem used. Talked to the guy and looked it up at the time and wasn't impressed. I'm not licensed so I'm not sure how the professional availability changed, many years ago now. Another time right after the changeover guys were sneaking in banned weed sprays and a guy did 3 yards in a row directly upwind of me - by the time I figured something wasn't right (besides the smell) I felt sick for a solid 3 hours - about 15 minutes exposure. Sorry for the jaded stories. I know guys push their licensed status to bend "emergency infestation application needed" that they report or document as exceptions. Golf courses and cemeteries have exemptions and I met quite a few long time adjacent residents who lost their spouse to cancer - not proof but strong coincidence, in two different neighbourhoods.

PPE!!


I had a senior lady, fussy, who disliked nature, and had a caterpillar infestation in her oak. She sprayed, swatted, scraped etc so much she left a surface damage zone around the trunk of the tree where she could reach. I pointed this out to her and she just looked unfazed. She also paid ?$ for a spray application that barely dented them.

Story telling mood today. Back on the rails!
 
Bart_ said:
Pesticides for homeowners are banned including lawn weed control but certain ones are apparently available to licensed professionals. A pro gassed me one day with overspray and evaporation spraying a nearby cedar hedge for mosquitoes but he did put up a tiny sign on the lawn indistinguishable from the Fiesta warning signs. Can't remember the chem used. Talked to the guy and looked it up at the time and wasn't impressed. I'm not licensed so I'm not sure how the professional availability changed, many years ago now. Another time right after the changeover guys were sneaking in banned weed sprays and a guy did 3 yards in a row directly upwind of me - by the time I figured something wasn't right (besides the smell) I felt sick for a solid 3 hours - about 15 minutes exposure. Sorry for the jaded stories. I know guys push their licensed status to bend "emergency infestation application needed" that they report or document as exceptions. Golf courses and cemeteries have exemptions and I met quite a few long time adjacent residents who lost their spouse to cancer - not proof but strong coincidence, in two different neighbourhoods.

PPE!!


I had a senior lady, fussy, who disliked nature, and had a caterpillar infestation in her oak. She sprayed, swatted, scraped etc so much she left a surface damage zone around the trunk of the tree where she could reach. I pointed this out to her and she just looked unfazed. She also paid ?$ for a spray application that barely dented them.

Story telling mood today. Back on the rails!
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I wish there were more personal use regulations on this side of the imaginary line.
Every decade or so we get epic tent caterpillar outbreaks, people freak the f-out and yes it’s epic to the point of roads becoming slippery with squashed bugs.
During these outbreaks many reports of people lighting their trees or houses on fire trying to burn them out. I’ll take that over chemical drift.
 
Doing more research on R 10, the medium rate calls for 4 mL per plug. For those of us cavemen that still have the old quickjet this sounds amazing. Using G4 the first 5 mL go in easy but that second squeeze of trying to get 10 mL per plug sucks! So if 4 mL go in like nothing, it’s a game changer.

My only concern is the toxicity of the stuff which I’m always super cautious about. Not a problem if the equipment doesn’t malfunction other than when pulling the needle out after injecting, sometimes it spits out a little bit of product.
 
I am just assuming that the price is at least a tiny bit more than the previous version, unless the improvement they made was something that made it cheaper to manufacture, and they decided to pass the savings on to the end user.

I was also just being cheeky
 
Matias said:
I am just assuming that the price is at least a tiny bit more than the previous version, unless the improvement they made was something that made it cheaper to manufacture, and they decided to pass the savings on to the end user.

I was also just being cheeky
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I cannot find the prices yet. It sounds like maybe better uptake. But they say their products already have great uptake...sooooo, which is it?

Previous versions are still available, so it would seem G5 needs to offer some improvement...whether that is price or uptake speed, or efficacy. I don't know. There was a link in the email to "Schedule a Demo" so that's what I did. We'll see!
 
ATH said:
Just got an email advertising G5. Wonder why they released that...What does it do that G4 or R10 do not?
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From what I gather, it’s general use where R10 is restricted use. It has a little more active ingredient than G4 and is supposed to have quicker uptake/little less product needed per plug.
 
ATH said:
Just got an email advertising G5. Wonder why they released that...What does it do that G4 or R10 do not?
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I guess the g4 had a lower viscosity, so easier to inject with the old arborjet system (caveman), kinda reminds me of my 1st time using Arbormectin, man that went in sooo much easier...then that lawsuit happened.

Would try the G10 with 50% distilled water, and down to a G5 concentrate and then side by side with the new formulation of G5.

The idea I liked about the G10 is less pesticide material on the Truck, and dilute as needed, depending on timing and tree porous structure, ect.

Very curious of your side by side findings, in the real world ATH!
 
The Green One said:
I guess the g4 had a lower viscosity, so easier to inject with the old arborjet system (caveman), kinda reminds me of my 1st time using Arbormectin, man that went in sooo much easier...then that lawsuit happened.

Would try the G10 with 50% distilled water, and down to a G5 concentrate and then side by side with the new formulation of G5.

The idea I liked about the G10 is less pesticide material on the Truck, and dilute as needed, depending on timing and tree porous structure, ect.

Very curious of your side by side findings, in the real world ATH!
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No question that G4 goes in easier than the OG. R10, I've never diluted, but like @macrocarpa said it is nice to be able to use a lower dose for ease of injection/quicker time at each tree. If G5 is easier to inject than G4 that would be great. I don't think I have any G4 left. I have a little bit of R10, a bottle of Rainbow's juice, and I'm assuming I will buy some G5 at least to try it. Even having all of them (I'm sure you know) until you do numerous trees, it is hard to say I've done a good side by side comparison because one tree to the next (heck, even one hole to the next) is a little bit variable / unpredictable how well uptake will go.
 
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