How to tell when it's too dead

Where is the dick part Connally? The initial subject is turning down tree removals. Somebody is gonna do those removals right? I am the guy with a glove box stuffed to the gills with deposit slips from THOSE jobs. If you can't or won't do those removals...I am just plain better at removals than you (and that also means YOU Connally). I am better than you...there I said it...deal with it. (And I mean that in the nicest way possible of course).

I have made a living and bought mass equipment and property based on these no truck access trees. I have brass balls. Nuff said. Maybe it is you being the prick that just cannot understand the difference in quality of a take down man. If you have spent your whole life working on your own you are in that disillusioned fishbowl. I have worked for some huge companies way back in the beginning and even then I turned NOTHING down. I was
always one of the main go to guys on the nasties.

Hey if the tree is standing...it is not windy or no ice is on the tree...what is gonna change with a little 185 lb. guy added to it who centers himself to not stress it, and immediately tries to displace his weight by removing strategic aspects.? But if you are the guy that goes to the bar and brags..."hey I took one look at that tree and (dramatic drum roll) I TURNED IT RIGHT DOWN!!!!" lol....If I am in that bar I'm gonna find out where it is and put a huge number on it...and cash it in and but another piece of paper in the glove box. Ka Ching
 
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Levi.CO said:
Could say the same to you "dad", wait "grandpa" is more accurate. You type a lot. I saw your stump grinding videos, pretty neat stuff. I also saw one of you swinging around in a tree saying "well this hear is a big ol tree, I just can't believe how big this tree is!"
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I think you edited the quote. The statement was "..."can't believe
how big this tree is...in just about 65 years of growth (pin oak)...which is the same age as me and me about 180 lbs and the tree about 15000 lbs".

Good try tho son.
 
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sherwood7 said:
Dead trees r not always dangerous to climb. Post pre climb inspection.It all depends on where the tree is and how u can move through it. Can u bomb it out, do u have to rig it.

Does it have a wide spread( will u be moving long distances laterally and putting a lot of force on a dead tip?) or can u stay mostly vertical? Def trust ur gut feeling. If u aren't comfortable doing something, it doesn't always mean it can't be done.

But people sometimes just do some dumb shit because they think they can. Experience should also teach u. These days many times I'll bring in a big ass crane for shit I would have climbed when I had less experience. I've been climbing for 16 years, so I know a little, but sure as shit not everything.
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Too long of a post to read with run on sentences and no paragraphs to break it up and make it readable. Here let me help. ^
 
treevet said:
I think you edited the quote. The statement was "..."can't believe
how big this tree is...in just about 65 years of growth (pin oak)...which is the same age as me and me about 180 lbs and the tree about 15000 lbs".

Good try tho son.
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Go to sleep old man
 
Old people don't need that much sleep. I am good with about 5. You better hit it...probably need your beauty sleep son (not saying you are ugly or anything lol) 1354218_6012660563980_886309045_n.webp
 
i get it its rubbing people the wrong way, but Vet i like what your saying. that doesn't mean I'm gunna say to myself "well the Vet does it, so can i!" next time i come up on a dead tree, but the best of anyone in their respective anything (best player on a sports team for example) didn't get that way cause they said, "yeah I'm pretty good, like a lot of other people i know."

isn't a little competition fun sometimes guys? personally i don't think if someone honestly thinks they are the best doesn't (always) mean they're full of shit, although I've met plenty who couldn't work to match their words.

just don't get hurt TV, your in that over 40 years old bracket, you guys don't bounce back (or off the ground) from injuries the same as some of us younger dudes. just statics, look em up.

I'm definitely too conservative with dead trees tho, which is slowly (with all the experience i get from Crypt Gall smoked oaks) changing. ill climb em, but the job is one MY time when I'm doing it, not the sales rep's time. no rush
 
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No I totally bow to your expertise. I don't have the experience or training. Never had the opportunity to learn from anybody who was good at dead trees. So...rather than risk my life due to lack of experience or knowledge I walk away.

I guess what I'm saying is there's probably another way to deliver your point without being a pompous ahole about it. Delivery is everything. Swinging your big balls about does nothing but shut people off to anything you have to share or teach. But alas they are your balls so I'll take my hurt panties and go. Guess It just struck a nerve.

Your probably better than me on everything. I have never been someone who professes my expertise on anything tree related. So your knocking the wrong guy off his ego throne. I am in a fish bowl. I do what I do but wish I could do more and learn more. Just don't have a guy with your experience to learn from. However, I can learn much better from somebody not throwing it in my face. The guys I respect are humble. The guys who start telling me how bad ass they are, I usually walk away from.

I have no idea why this tweaked me. It just did. It shouldn't have. It means nothing in the big scheme of my day. I should just walked away from the thread. You're the man. I'm just a hack and I'm fine with that. It's a good place for me since I only do it as a hobby anyway. I should refrain from giving Input on threads because I am a namby pamby.
 
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I don't have a ton of experience with stone dead stuff. I don't have to and I don't mind walking away. It's my choice. There's always somebody that'll do it. I can't tell treevet, are you really being a dick or just joking? Never really seen this response from you before.
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Definitely being a dick. In my opinion climbing stone dead trees is nothing to brag about. Sounds like asking for trouble to me. I am glad they haven't gone south on you vet. I am sure that is at least mostly due to your skill. On which I do not cast any aspersions. But you are sounding like an unenjoyable dick at present.
 
macswan said:
Definitely being a dick. In my opinion climbing stone dead trees is nothing to brag about. Sounds like asking for trouble to me. I am glad they haven't gone south on you vet. I am sure that is at least mostly due to your skill. On which I do not cast any aspersions. But you are sounding like an unenjoyable dick at present.
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I like to shake things up on a forum so as to alleviate the "10-4 good buddy" mentality. Bottom line is there is a starting team, then there is the second team and then there are the guys that sit on the bench except when it is an easy game. Those guys should not do these #10 level trees, even if the starters and second team are out sick. They are called the "Scrubs".

Somebody has to do them and they always get done when you turn them down and later drive by and they are gone. I am one of the guys that do them but not recommending it to others by any means.
 
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Definitely being a dick. In my opinion climbing stone dead trees is nothing to brag about. Sounds like asking for trouble to me. I am glad they haven't gone south on you vet. I am sure that is at least mostly due to your skill. On which I do not cast any aspersions. But you are sounding like an unenjoyable dick at present.
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Being a dick huh? It always hurts when you are told you don't quite measure up...no matter how it is stated. You are the generation of the "Participation Trophy". Well send me your address and I will send you a tree removal Participation Trophy. You remove SOME trees ...right?

This is the removal on Thur. at about 80' after I have removed huge laterals crashing on the woods floor and the top out. I don't like to film while climbing just do it out of bucket. But occassionally I will take a clip or 2 and sometimes bolt my cam (no go pro or hero cam) to my hard hat visor. But the thought remains that I don't want to film my death. Here I am blathering about these millionairs waiting 3 or more years on this giant 100' plus 3.5 trunk dia, dead ash when they have the money but just haven't a clue the danger in climbing or any clue even how it will be made gone should the mood strike them some day. This property in Indian Hill Cinci probably worth around 4 or 5 mil.

 
Tree work is about risk management. We are trying to reduce risk as a level where we feel confident to perform the job. Risk for us climber or groundie , customers etc...It could be in a healty tree or dead one , risk is there from start to finish.

If you feel the risk is to big , even if you have done every thing to reduce it to a minimum you should walk aways and go perform prunning jobs were you will make more money anyway... When you get in a tree and you have this weird feeling in your head , you are stress and there is a lot of chance that you make a mistake or take a bad decision and it could be it.

I have never been a big fan of dead tree , tend to walk aways in most situation , this year I have climb a lot of dead stuff , like 2 times a week , but mostly big sugar maple that have died in 2014. So it's a different story , and I felt confident to rig them and send big pieces. But a the end of the season we started to take less precautions and in a Shagbark Hickory and a ash it almost turn into a hospital situation... We were just f....ing lucky.

So every tree is different , even if it's alive , and there is no place for pressure and stress in those situations.
Anyway after a sketchy tree I always feel more stupid for the risk I've took then I feel like a superman to have perform the job. The worst case scenario is getting hurt , not being able to come back home and see the familly or not being able to climb tree for the rest of my life. I can live with me being a pussy and walk away.
 
You can't presume anything about me. You have no idea what I can do or not do. You only think because I won't do what you will that I'm a scrub. Not on the starting line. Not able to do anything complicated. Interesting how your over inflated self concept allows you to judge everyone else based on a single category of tree work.

As so far as the participation award. You missed my age group. I'm 45, served my country for 8 years' been a career firefighter paramedic for 20 years. Earned every promotion I've gotten with hard work and job knowledge. No political bs. I've held a steady labor job since I was 14. I work 2 jobs now and do the most work and the most technical stuff on the crew(child's play to you I'm sure). I've worked for everything I have and continue to stay in a shitty work situation because I enjoy the actual work not the company. I've been dealt some shit in my life and walked away from it strong and standing tall by my own actions, not the coddling of others. So I've earned all the trophies I need. One from you would just clutter the already full shelf.

So a while back I posted a video of a crane job that didn't go well. Nobody stepped up and said hey scrub leave the crane work to real tree men. As a matter of fact many people said here's what you did wrong and here's a lesson. Pctree could have called me out and blasted me. Instead he invited me to his home for a week so I could learn some more about crane work. He taught me a lot and not once did I hear his brass balls clang as he walked around. Continue to blow your own horn. Fire shots at those who you feel are below you at everything. Continue to presume you know jack shit about me. You put on your pants every day like I do. When it all comes down to it we are both men. You just think a whole lot more about yourself than most.

Wish you could have shared some of that vast knowledge with us instead of being a narcissistic prick. I would have loved to know how you go about the risk assessment and determining what works and what won't.

Congratulations. Been on the buzz for a long time and your the first real pissing contest I've gotten into. Again if you can find anywhere on here that I've ever repressed myself as the starter team or the end all be all in this community of true professionals, let me know. I've always been humble. There's a ton of guys that make me look like a scrub. I would love to learn from them. Unfortunately you chose to take the ego route. Good for you, hope you live to spend your millions from all the work I walk away from. Be safe
 
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Did an assessment on this Acer sacchrum this morning. Outcome... A sketchey mess! Power across the street,basidiocarps on the base and a lot of rot in the stem the only good news,excessable by truck.image.webp
 

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Daniel said:

this was a nasty tree.... didn't lke climbing it.... the poison ivy wasn't the concern either
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A rear mount bucket might have let u make those cuts from the bucket? U took care of the tree and it was all good. U obviously have done this before. My point is it could have been way less sketchy with different equipment. I wasn't there so I don't really know, but it looks like a different bucket or a crane would have made that much safer.
 
treevet said:
I like to shake things up on a forum so as to alleviate the "10-4 good buddy" mentality. Bottom line is there is a starting team, then there is the second team and then there are the guys that sit on the bench except when it is an easy game. Those guys should not do these #10 level trees, even if the starters and second team are out sick. They are called the "Scrubs".

Somebody has to do them and they always get done when you turn them down and later drive by and they are gone. I am one of the guys that do them but not recommending it to others by any means.
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See, this response is totally reasonable. And the next one you are back to talking shit. You can think/say whatever you want, you have no idea how many removals I do. But I have climbed my share of dead or seriously compromised trees. We all know you are a lifer. There's no need for the knuckle dragging, rooster posturing bullshit. It just distracts from the conversation.

And for the record, I haven't turned down a tree in years.
 
If stating the truth is talking shit...well...why bother talking to a guy like you? 2 of you take what I say personally when I meant to talk in generality. But if the shoe fits wear it. The plain truth is I make a portion of my living on trees others turn down or clients are discerning enough to call me in the first place. Last one called me said they would only call so and so and me in the city...and I mean Cinci. Bit of a stretch but those were their words.

But can't see a part timer being much of a tree man. just sayin...how dedicated could you be.
 
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