Hook Lift Trucks

Interesting Fivepoints. I see used hooklift units can be found at times. That might be more interesting to a person that is handy with projects, and more affordable when converting over a older truck.

Southsoundtree.....you're going all Confucius on us. :)
I just know these trucks can haul off road safely a lot more than they can legally on the road. And I drive slowly on old ranch roads.
 
I was thinking about building my own version of a switch and go setup. The last time I check they weren't for more than a 12 ft bed otherwise I'd probably just buy it. My fuso can fit a 16 ft bed so I'd want to take advantage of that. Plus, if I just cut a bunch off the frame it would give me to much front axle weight when loaded. I'm pretty handy with CAD and a good fabricator. I'll post up if I end up doing that. I can certainly see the advantage of having different beds for the same truck. We have our F550 setup to be a chipper truck or remove the top for it to be a dump truck.
 
Merle Nelson said:
So, as stated elsewhere, I did go with the Ram 5500 and plan to have a chip box built with tool storage, and two dumpsters that fit inside of one another for hauling heavier wood and logs.

I went with a Steller hook lift. The main reason for this is that the model which fits my cab to axle size is capable of loading/dumping 16,000 lbs as compared to other manufacturers maximum capability of 14,000 lbs, 10,000 lbs etc. Also it is able to perform this while only weighing in at 1,400 lbs itself as compared to other units being over 2,000 lbs.

They turn the hyd pressure down on this unit upon installation so that it only lifts the legal hauling limit of about 10K. But, if you ever wanted to move it over to a class 6 or class 7 truck you could turn it up to lift 16K.

Also that there are a bunch of these Steller lifts mounted on F550's running around for a franchise business called Bin There Dump That was a plus. They proved out it's performance on class 5 trucks and have been running them for 10 years or so.

Pictures to follow in mid November when I get things mated up.
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Any updates and pictures? I’m looking at buying a truck in the next couple months and it’s got to be multi purpose.
 
I've had a rash of supplier issues, but my truck build is coming along slowly but surely. The container won't be done for another 3 weeks, so there's not a rush just yet.


I sat the hoist on the frame yesterday, have the PTO installed but waiting the pump, added 2' of frame to the truck (will be cut back), have all but the rear mounts installed on the truck frame to be welded to the hoist's frame. The hoist is a SwapLoader SL240 with a 24klb capacity, 54" hook height, 14-18' containers.

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Nearly positive a 16klb tag axle is going where the loose tire is within a few inches. That will put the axles at 12k/21k/16k, for a total of 49klb of axle capacity. The truck with the hoist and lift axle should weigh around 18klb, 24klb for the loaded container puts me at 42klb. The truck should bridge 46klb, but I haven't verified that math (not a concern). One benefit with the tag axle is my wheel base with the axle up is only 184" with the center of the 16' container being ~centered over the drive axle... making for a very nimble truck with decent weight still on the steer axle. The smaller tires allow for more clearance when up, I should be able to get 11-12" of ground clearance when the tire is lifted.

There is 12" of clearance between the front of the hoist and the cab for a future tarp system/rake holder/etc. After this gets finalized I'll be ordering at least two large tool boxes, one for dirty stuff (chainsaw, gas, oil etc), one for clean stuff (climbing gear, rigging, etc), adding a basket to hold some wood/plastic for setting the container down on sensitive surfaces.
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Lumberjack said:
I've had a rash of supplier issues, but my truck build is coming along slowly but surely. The container won't be done for another 3 weeks, so there's not a rush just yet.


I sat the hoist on the frame yesterday, have the PTO installed but waiting the pump, added 2' of frame to the truck (will be cut back), have all but the rear mounts installed on the truck frame to be welded to the hoist's frame. The hoist is a SwapLoader SL240 with a 24klb capacity, 54" hook height, 14-18' containers.

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Nearly positive a 16klb tag axle is going where the loose tire is within a few inches. That will put the axles at 12k/21k/16k, for a total of 49klb of axle capacity. The truck with the hoist and lift axle should weigh around 18klb, 24klb for the loaded container puts me at 42klb. The truck should bridge 46klb, but I haven't verified that math (not a concern). One benefit with the tag axle is my wheel base with the axle up is only 184" with the center of the 16' container being ~centered over the drive axle... making for a very nimble truck with decent weight still on the steer axle. The smaller tires allow for more clearance when up, I should be able to get 11-12" of ground clearance when the tire is lifted.

There is 12" of clearance between the front of the hoist and the cab for a future tarp system/rake holder/etc. After this gets finalized I'll be ordering at least two large tool boxes, one for dirty stuff (chainsaw, gas, oil etc), one for clean stuff (climbing gear, rigging, etc), adding a basket to hold some wood/plastic for setting the container down on sensitive surfaces.
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As expected,
Very Nice.
 
Thanks @hseII ! The clearance under the lifted axle will be less than I posted, my loaded frame height will be less and hard to quantify at this point... the downside of a spring suspension.

I did get the axle and tires/wheels ordered. Need to get an in cab control setup ordered and the rest should be odds and ends for the axle at least. Might go ahead and order some tool boxes, I can clear 24x24 boxes and have nearly 8' of free space on the passenger side, the driver side will have the hydro tank, air dryer, valving, etc... should leave enough room for the dunnage basket on that side.
 
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Lumberjack said:
Thanks @hseII ! The clearance under the lifted axle will be less than I posted, my loaded frame height will be less and hard to quantify at this point... the downside of a spring suspension.

I did get the axle and tires/wheels ordered. Need to get an in cab control setup ordered and the rest should be odds and ends for the axle at least. Might go ahead and order some tool boxes, I can clear 24x24 boxes and have nearly 8' of free space on the passenger side, the driver side will have the hydro tank, air dryer, valving, etc... should leave enough room for the dunnage basket on that side.
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That truck has air brakes?

Regarding the tag axle, I wonder if the same could be done for an Electric over hydraulic brakes truck? aka Squish brakes.
 
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Yep, I'm a big fan of air brakes.

A tag axle could be added to a truck with juice brakes, although I don't know of any trucks with electric over hydraulic brakes, only straight hydraulic.

My first thought was a trailer axle with electric brakes. I wouldn't want to tie in to the truck's stock hydraulic system for fear of cascade failure. I figure it's been done before by pulp wood trucks at least, although they probably didn't run brakes on the second axle (just guessing). But, if you're adding a tag you're already in CDL territory, so why not have air brakes?
 
Lumberjack said:
Yep, I'm a big fan of air brakes.

A tag axle could be added to a truck with juice brakes, although I don't know of any trucks with electric over hydraulic brakes, only straight hydraulic.

My first thought was a trailer axle with electric brakes. I wouldn't want to tie in to the truck's stock hydraulic system for fear of cascade failure. I figure it's been done before by pulp wood trucks at least, although they probably didn't run brakes on the second axle (just guessing). But, if you're adding a tag you're already in CDL territory, so why not have air brakes?
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If the truck is already owned by the individual looking to do such...

Yeah, the Pulpwooders around here find worn out air brake trucks to add the racks & dead axles too: I haven’t checked to see if there’s brakes on the dead axle. Very good Point.
 
Carl, what’s your ca on the truck? 102”? Do you think a truck with a102” ca can have a 4’ platform behind cab and then a 12’ chip body? I think the axle would be in the center of the dump body. Maybe the weight of the mini on the platform would stabilize the front end while driving. Just trying to get the shortest for manuvability.looking at your pic makes me think your ca is 96”.
 
Nice truck and build plans Lumberjack.


Welcome to TreeBuzz Dumpsterman. Your post got a bunch of activity going....and very intuitive on timing. I just picked up my hooklift truck yesterday and went down and collected two debris boxes that have been built and waiting for me.

If your interested in the F550/Ram5500 size of truck watch a bunch of the "Bin There Dump That" videos on youtube.
 
Luzl78 said:
Carl, what’s your ca on the truck? 102”? Do you think a truck with a102” ca can have a 4’ platform behind cab and then a 12’ chip body? I think the axle would be in the center of the dump body. Maybe the weight of the mini on the platform would stabilize the front end while driving. Just trying to get the shortest for manuvability.looking at your pic makes me think your ca is 96”.
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Most of your hoist manufactures have recommendations for your spacings.

Rugby has a good .pdf files on their website.
http://www.rugbymfg.com/service-support/manuals/truck-hoists/226-lr-26c-623-28a-2355/file

If you are doing a platform, please consider a 4’ 6” platform.






For my 12’ chip truck, I went with a 24” overhang, ( bed past the pivot point.) Much more than 36” and I’d need a longer tongue for chipper.

That puts things @ 17’- 17’6” back of cab/front of platform to end of bed.

That means the BOC to end of Frame is ~15’- 15’6”. Actually 185”.

That’s what my truck is:
138" cab to axle,
46" axle to hinge point

If we were dumping dirt, you’ll want a longer overhang or load towards the tail to aid in dumping.

But with chips being 550/cy, I believe I will be golden @ 24-32”.

I haven’t used it yet so I might be all wrong: but I don’t think so.
 
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