Guns- who should have them?

tree squirrel said:
· In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control:

· From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control:

· From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938:

From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to

· 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964:

· From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970:

· From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956:

· From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control.
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So going off the examples you give all Muslims and illegal aliens in the US should be armed right now because they are the most at risk for being "rounded up". They have just as much "right" to defend themselves as anyone else. See how that flies at your next NRA meeting.

tree squirrel said:
· SWITZERLAND ISSUES A GUN TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT ISSUES AND TRAINS EVERY ADULT IN THE USE OF A RIFLE.

· SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
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These are both SO false!

Switzerland doesn't issue a gun to every household. Switzerland has conscription. As a result all able-bodied men are trained in firearm use and required to keep army-issued firearms at home. However, they don't get ammunition with those firearms. At the end of their service obligations they have the option of returning the firearms or keeping them as private weapons and more and more people are opting to return their army-issued firearms.

Switzerland has nowhere near the lowest gun related crime in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Far a I can tell they have the 49th lowest gun-related crime, behind such stellar nations as Zimbabwe and
Kyrgyzstan.
 
treebing said:
How come you have to take a test to get a drivers license but not take a test when you buy a gun?
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your confusing constitutional RIGHTS with a privilege.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

drivers licenses are a privilege that is not even mentioned in the constitution
 
It really comes down to whether or not you trust government to have all the power. In light of the recent health care reform, I would think more people would trust the government less. Regulation usually affects the poor because when anything is regulated there are extra costs and taxes. Some of you keep bringing up the higher crime statistics. There are so many tangents that could be affecting those numbers. For example the violent media kids are exposed to today, or the lack of parental discipline. When parents abdicate their role of discipline in their child's life, then down the road the government feels the need to take it on. It's called "parens patriae" (parent of the nation). I am not saying all government intervention is bad, I'm saying that in many cases if you see more government intervention then a possible root cause is parents neglecting their responsibility. Regulation of firearms is not going to fix violent crime.
 
fordf150 said:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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You realize that was written 225 years ago when the US was sparsely populated and didn't have a highly organized, mobile army. So yes, it was up to individuals to protect themselves and their communities, but more as a safeguard against the British than whatever nonsense is spewed today about a tyrannical government.
 
just because some slimy politician decided it was convenient for him to ignore the constitution doesnt mean that its worthless parchment. It is one of, if not the greatest document ever written and just because you dont agree with it doesnt change its importance. The ideals expressed in it are what made us great and ignoring them is what is taking us into the toilet bowl of history.

If people dont like the fact that anyone can own a gun, you have a couple choices.
1. amend the constitution to ban firearms
2. move somewhere that guns are banned
 
Levi.CO said:
What facts man? How about the fact that there were no car in 1789? I mean c'mon!
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What's no cars back then got to do with the constitution? Bet you voted for Obama too. how's that working for ya? This is the most anti constitution site I have been on. I'm sure you'll vote for Hillary too and you call him a dumbass. When the commies you elect to office destroy our constitution then I guess you will enjoy what the Government says you can and can't do on everything.

Far as him having no rights, what turnip truck did you fall off of, he can go where he wants and own what he wants. If your Muslim Obama got his wish you would be living off Sharia law.Keep destroying the constitution and you will see what freedom really means. You ever been under a communist state other than California and NY. Those two are prime examples of the goverment deciding whats best for us. Anyone that has ever lived under true communism will tell you we have it made.

If you don't like firearms, that's fine but don't be a Liberal and not want me to have one. I don't approve of men wearing pink panties either, But I won't try to make it against the law because YOU like to wear them.
 
Boomslang said:
You realize that was written 225 years ago when the US was sparsely populated and didn't have a highly organized, mobile army. So yes, it was up to individuals to protect themselves and their communities, but more as a safeguard against the British than whatever nonsense is spewed today about a tyrannical government.
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you do realize the context in which the second amendment was added...it had nothing to do hunting, sport, or recreation and had everything to do with keeping government in check.....shall i quote the earlier post that explains what governments do when the population is disarmed...learn from history or be doomed to repeat it
 
Levi.CO said:
Furthermore the constitution "fact" is completely dated and irrelevant. The constitution has been undermined countless time, it's hardly worth the parchment it was written on. Sorry to say, you have no rights F150. Keep dreaming though and watch the slight of hand.
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The US Constitution is a brilliant document that is still very important today. The structure of our entire government was and is based on it, many other Nations have tried to copy parts of it when setting up their own government because it is so successful.
 
Treezybreez said:
The US Constitution is a brilliant document that is still very important today. The structure of our entire government was and is based on it, many other Nations have tried to copy parts of it when setting up their own government because it is so successful.
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Notice how most decided to leave out the parts about right to bear arms though. Only 3 countries have it in their constitutions, and only the US places no restrictions. All 3 of those countries are in the top 12 countries in the world when it comes to gun-related deaths.
 
Boomslang said:
Notice how most decided to leave out the parts about right to bear arms though. Only 3 countries have it in their constitutions, and only the US places no restrictions. All 3 of those countries are in the top 12 countries in the world when it comes to gun-related deaths.
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Well since you are free to go where you want because of the constitution, you can leave Freddy beach and go where you feel safer. You wouldn't last long there.
 
fordf150 said:
you do realize the context in which the second amendment was added...it had nothing to do hunting, sport, or recreation and had everything to do with keeping government in check.....
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I'm not American, but I from what I hear there's a fair amount of hatred for what Obama has done to your country. Why did no one rise up and keep him in check?

tree squirrel said:
Well since you are free to go where you want because of the constitution, you can leave Freddy beach and go where you feel safer. You wouldn't last long there.
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Thankfully, I do live in a place where I feel safer (Canada) and I've lasted just fine. I'm more likely to be killed shovelling snow than from a gun.
 
Levi.CO said:
Oh yeah, that was a great response. Just for the record, I have never voted once in my life. So, try as you may you cannot paint me into your simple world view of liberal vs. conservative. Obviously you are some sort of wanna be political extremist and are just as bad as those who like Sharia. I grew up with guns, for hunting, I've got no problem with them. You're silly.
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Then you Shouldn't have the right to bitch about ANYTHING. oh but wait. the constitution you want to destroy gives you that right. Try doing your duty this year and vote. no matter who it's for. I am no political extremist, just don't like people who think they know what's best for me and they don't know me or have a clue. Sheesh. you should not say no more. Matter of fact I'm finished with you.
 
Boomslang said:
I'm not American, but I from what I hear there's a fair amount of hatred for what Obama has done to your country. Why did no one rise up and keep him in check?
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Because contrary to how americans are portrayed in the news/media we are not the wild west and we do not "rise up" just because we disagree with a policy.

Boomslang said:
Thankfully, I do live in a place where I feel safer (Canada) and I've lasted just fine. I'm more likely to be killed shovelling snow than from a gun.
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gun deaths in 2010 11078 =chance of being shot at worst(statistically your much more likely to be shot in places like chicago and new orleans) .000036%
cold related deaths in 2010 1536 =.000005%

I dont think either one is worth worrying about too much but they arent really comparable since preventing hypothermia can be controlled by you(for the most part) by simply dressing appropriately for the weather at hand.
in contrast preventing being a murder victim can only be mitigated by staying out of the gang controlled/drug infested areas of chicago, LA, new orleans...known bad areas and being prepared/able to defend yourself if faced with the situation.



Levi.CO said:
Oh yeah, it also had to be amended to say that it was not okay to own a human slave.
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see...thats how it works when things need changed...you amend the constitution so if guns are so bad and we need to get rid of them. instead of making illegal/unconstitutional laws/regulations and lecturing us about gun violence you guys can go ahead and start calling for a convention to add the gun confiscation amendment
 
fordf150 said:
Because contrary to how americans are portrayed in the news/media we are not the wild west and we do not "rise up" just because we disagree with a policy.



gun deaths in 2010 11078 =chance of being shot at worst(statistically your much more likely to be shot in places like chicago and new orleans) .000036%
cold related deaths in 2010 1536 =.000005%

I dont think either one is worth worrying about too much but they arent really comparable since preventing hypothermia can be controlled by you(for the most part) by simply dressing appropriately for the weather at hand.
in contrast preventing being a murder victim can only be mitigated by staying out of the gang controlled/drug infested areas of chicago, LA, new orleans...known bad areas and being prepared/able to defend yourself if faced with the situation.





see...thats how it works when things need changed...you amend the constitution so if guns are so bad and we need to get rid of them. instead of making illegal/unconstitutional laws/regulations and lecturing us about gun violence you guys can go ahead and start calling for a convention to add the gun confiscation amendment
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Ford150, This guy doesn't even vote, His arguments are invalid. shouldn't even be recognized. But he calls me a dumb hillbilly. but he can't figure out to mark a ballot box yet.:eek:
 
treebing said:
you carrying a gun around means that you and those in your home have a higher statistical chance of dying by a gunshot wound than someone who doesn't carry a gun.

Switzerland has very strict gun laws and I think the Training everyone in firearm use is key. How come you have to take a test to get a drivers license but not take a test when you buy a gun?

I like guns, and I like hunting, but this push for an armed to the teeth society where everyone is a lethal threat is just sad. Its such a commercialist, cynical, advertising campaign.
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I don't understand the first statement.
I'm discussing.
I understand a man learns nothing while he is talking. Lol
 
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fordf150 said:
your confusing constitutional RIGHTS with a privilege.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

drivers licenses are a privilege that is not even mentioned in the constitution
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Well, there were no cars back then and being armed involved like two minutes to get one shot off?
 
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