Guns- who should have them?

[jabezkin]

My statement of defining a conversation is general.
Including nations.

I used to teach Special Weapons.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

A gun will decide the direction of a conversatio....

That is just the stuff that bothers me about citizens carrying guns.
I will speak my mind to a police officer but won't mouth off and do as I'm told, not because he/she has a gun but because he has ATHORITY.
...also experience as to when to use it...little to do with conversation, mostly actions by the way.

 

[monkeylove]

Unfortunately the argument can never be one in either direction solely for the fact that guns don't kill people, people kill people. I think we should all have the right to bear arms, if you choose to abuse that right by using it in a criminal fashion then I will be the first one to volunteer to legally eliminate you. The problem is not gun control, it's giving repetitive losers the right to keep breathing.

 

[BRT]

That is just the stuff that bothers me about citizens carrying guns.
I will speak my mind to a police officer but won't mouth off and do as I'm told, not because he/she has a gun but because he has ATHORITY.

I respect those with athority, authority, and those who carry guns. The thing is, our world is filled with those who only respect authority, or anyone else for that matter, if they hold the power to demand that respect.

ps--my daughter wanted me to use blue

 

[monkeylove]

I like the blue, it's very friendly considering the thread it's in. Tell her it was a good choice.

 

[tree squirrel]

I like the blue, it's very friendly considering the thread it's in. Tell her it was a good choice.

Me too, it's actually easier to read.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Much better than blood red.

 

[monkeylove]

Much better than blood red.

LMAO, yes it was.

 

[fordf150]

Close the private sale loop hole, and hold people accountable for it and a lot would change I think. Make everyone go to an FFL and get a background check done and you would probably have half as many guns going into the wrong hands. I like the distinction between responsible gun owners and just gun owners. I would never sell a firearm without the FFL background check, NEVER. A responsible gun owner educates those around him/her about gun ownership and use and the responsibility that goes with it.

great sentiment but reality is that what you want would require gun registration which as we have seen over the course of history ultimately leads to gun confiscation. germany, china, and ussr which then leads to brutal humanitarian disasters.

I have nothing against registration....all the guns i ever bought have been dropped in the lake while out duck hunting so i have nothing to register

 

[jabezkin]

That is just the stuff that bothers me about citizens carrying guns.
I will speak my mind to a police officer but won't mouth off and do as I'm told, not because he/she has a gun but because he has ATHORITY.
...also experience as to when to use it...little to do with conversation, mostly actions by the way.

Perhaps it should have been confrontation instead of conversation.
It was a quote from Atlantic Monthly I think 30 years ago or so.
When Florida began concealed carry crime went down.
There was a possibility the person being robbed might be armed.

Washington DC,NYC,Chicago. All gunless for private citizens.
Some of the worst cities to be in at night.

I didn't mean "open carry I'm a bad azz"

I believe in training. A lot.

But.

Have you ever had a gun stuck in your face with the guys finger on the trigger. I still sweat thinking about it.

That gun decided the direction of the conversation.

Had my daughter been with me and they were going to do something all I could have done was die first.

If someone can "make" you. You are not carrying concealed.

Someone trying to be a cowboy doesn't fair well.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Perhaps it should have been confrontation instead of conversation.
It was a quote from Atlantic Monthly I think 30 years ago or so.
When Florida began concealed carry crime went down.
There was a possibility the person being robbed might be armed.

Washington DC,NYC,Chicago. All gunless for private citizens.
Some of the worst cities to be in at night.

I didn't mean "open carry I'm a bad azz"

I believe in training. A lot.

But.

Have you ever had a gun stuck in your face with the guys finger on the trigger. I still sweat thinking about it.

That gun decided the direction of the conversation.

Had my daughter been with me and they were going to do something all I could have done was die first.

If someone can "make" you. You are not carrying concealed.

Someone trying to be a cowboy doesn't fair well.

I was a cop on the streets for 5 years LAPD, academy was 6 months.

 

[jabezkin]

Yoyoman
I salute you. One of the most demanding and thankless jobs on the planet.
Short of being married to my ex......

My father in law used to take a shortcut thru Compton at night.

 

[treebing]

I never understand the everyone should have guns argument. I just don't meet very many people I trust to operate a vehicle, much less a gun. Do you guys live where everyone is intelligent and level headed? I would say 8 out of 10 drivers on the road shouldn't be there, and looking in the grocery store 9 out of 10 people should definitely not own a gun. Just the thought of all these people walking around armed.... Maybe certain boy scouts should carry guns around with them, honorable, loyal, noble and all that but everyone? we must be living different realities. The whole thing is marketing genius,

 

[jabezkin]

I never understand the everyone should have guns argument. I just don't meet very many people I trust to operate a vehicle, much less a gun. Do you guys live where everyone is intelligent and level headed? I would say 8 out of 10 drivers on the road shouldn't be there, and looking in the grocery store 9 out of 10 people should definitely not own a gun. Just the thought of all these people walking around armed.... Maybe certain boy scouts should carry guns around with them, honorable, loyal, noble and all that but everyone? we must be living different realities. The whole thing is marketing genius,

Hence the training statement.
There are few I feel comfortable around with guns.
Military training is marginal for most.
Trained before purchase.
And I'm a Certified Gun Looney.

And I agree about cars too.

 

[Boomslang]

Good info here: Statistics on the Dangers of Gun Use for Self-Defense

Plus this...

Injuries and Deaths from Guns

Everytime a gun injures or kills in self-defense, one is used:

• 11 times for a completed or attempted suicide
• 7 times in a criminal assault or homicide
• 4 times in an unintentional shooting death or injury

Source: Journal of Trauma, injury, Infection and Critical Care (1998)

 

[fordf150]

I never understand the everyone should have guns argument. I just don't meet very many people I trust to operate a vehicle, much less a gun. Do you guys live where everyone is intelligent and level headed? I would say 8 out of 10 drivers on the road shouldn't be there, and looking in the grocery store 9 out of 10 people should definitely not own a gun. Just the thought of all these people walking around armed.... Maybe certain boy scouts should carry guns around with them, honorable, loyal, noble and all that but everyone? we must be living different realities. The whole thing is marketing genius,

Darwin, that's why everyone should own a gun because the government has mandated everything else be so idiot proof that Darwin can't do his job

 

[treebing]

so dumb people should own guns so they can kill everyone else? As I said the whole thing is marketing genius. I see so many idiots jumping on the gun bandwagon it makes me scared for my life and i start thinking I better get an AR 15 too! Its commercialism gone nuts. Now if I could only figure out how to convince everyone they NEEDED to own a Rope Runner.

 

[tree squirrel]

A good read that I was sent yesterday.


Why I carry a Gun
I don't carry a gun to kill people; I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don't carry a gun because I'm evil; I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the World.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government; I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry; I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone; I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man; I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate; I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it; I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police protection is an oxymoron: Free citizens must protect themselves because police do not protect you from crime; they just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a whoopin'!

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

PLEASE DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT, THAT THIS COULDN'T HAPPEN IN OUR COUNTRY ALSO !!!!!!

· In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control:

· From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control:

· From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938:

From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to

· 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964:

· From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970:

· From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956:

· From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control.
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You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

With guns, we are 'citizens'; without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WW II, the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Gun owners in the USA are the largest armed forces in the World!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.

The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either.

· SWITZERLAND ISSUES A GUN TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT ISSUES AND TRAINS EVERY ADULT IN THE USE OF A RIFLE.

· SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

 

[treebing]

you carrying a gun around means that you and those in your home have a higher statistical chance of dying by a gunshot wound than someone who doesn't carry a gun.

Switzerland has very strict gun laws and I think the Training everyone in firearm use is key. How come you have to take a test to get a drivers license but not take a test when you buy a gun?

I like guns, and I like hunting, but this push for an armed to the teeth society where everyone is a lethal threat is just sad. Its such a commercialist, cynical, advertising campaign.

 

[treebing]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

I think following some of Switzerlands policies on Guns would be an excellent idea. especially the idea of controlling the sale of ammunition in the same way the purchasing and trading of rifles is regulated. The thing is that the gun manufacturers love it when there is uncontrolled violence as it is the best advertising for their products ever so they actively fight any commonsense approach that would limit their marketing campaign.