God Bless Freedom Warriors

Science that uses algorithms and data based on endpoint agendas, can look very convincing. The litmus test is what actual, unbiased data reveal.

If the use of masks, by trained individuals no less, is indeed as efficient at stopping the transmission of covid 19 the below quotation would not be possible.


"It has been well established that hospital transmission dominates as a source of spread and SAGE has reported that up to 40.5% of cases could be traced back to hospital spread and a majority of hospitalised patients in June 2020 were linked to hospital spread. In Scotland, in December 2020, 60% of the acutely ill with Covid acquired the infection in hospital."

I posted a link earlier to the Yale/Stanford/UC Berkeley study, which was the first large scale randomized study on the efficacy of masks. Their conclusion. Masks work at controlling the spread of covid.

https://egc.yale.edu/largest-study-masks-and-covid-19-demonstrates-their-effectiveness-real-world

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069

Not real world enough for you? A little too agenda driven for you? A little too contrary to your beliefs?
 
Yes, yes and yes. Try looking behind the studies to see why they exist.

It's not about masks, but the agenda driven science.
 
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Oh boy…. Sorry to be a buzz kill, but am I the only one that remembers masking was never to STOP the spread of the virus! It was to slow the spread.
In pretty short order, the people who needed masks the most, the doctors didn’t have any. Then there was the cloth mask wave, the diyers making them.

This is not unlike condoms, if used correctly they are very EFFECTIVE but still not quite 100%. Some folks have valid reasons why they cannot be worn, and there are a few alternatives not quite as effective but still helpful.

It’s a game of numbers, sure a few folks had/have health issues related to wearing masks, and a few deaths/issues from the vax. But without the vax and without masks bodies would have piled up.

I know many more who have died from COVID, have long COVID, or have lost a loved one from COVID than any major health issue related to the vax or mask.
 
It's not about masks, but the agenda driven science.
Pot to kettle...You're black!

You instantly dismiss a large randomized study because it doesn’t met your exacting stands, then post a link to a clickbait article in which a doctor claims that masks are ineffective, and his opinion was formed in the OR and while serving on a board. So much for “real world”. I also can’t help but notice that the only source the good doctor referenced was the CDC. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that is the same very CDC that your latest video bashed for 15 minutes.

If the hypocrite shoe fits, wear it bro.
 
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kettle to pot. You’re a condescending pompous ass!

So your here touting your own ability to “hear both sides”, “open your eyes to what is really going on”, and “see why studies really exist”. While your busy blowing your own horn you are also questioning other folks ability to do the same.

Condescending and pompous? Lace that shit up bro.
 
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I find it mind boggling that anyone could listen to Dr.Vinay Prasad, and not even consider that all of what the mainstream media and government officials are saying is not what it seems.

Feel free to discredit him via discussion if you can. Your righteous indignation and name calling is not really that impressive.
 
Your righteous indignation and name calling is not really that impressive.
Said the fella who has been tooting his own horn and questioning other folks ability to find and assimilate credible information. Only Dave knows what is credible and what is not. Only Dave gets to bash the CDC then turnaround and reference a source that is citing the CDC to support its case. Amazing fucking trick bro. Really

Gotta give credit though, because in one sentence you somehow managed to be both a hypocrite and a pompous ass. Upping your game Dave.

I would be remiss if I didn’t also give you an honorable mention for assuming that I didn’t watch your posted vid. You know what they say about assumptions?
 
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Anyone else notice that the OP (Brady) is conspicuously absent from his own thread. It appears the young fella decided to drop some ignorance and disinformation, cut and run, and then hide in the corner. Very telling me thinks..

A shame because I was looking forward to continuing our debate over his assertion that our economy is "crushed"?

Was he referring the the US economy that created 6.4 million jobs in 2021? A record by the way.

Was he referring the 2021 US economy that created the highest GDP growth in 35-40 years?

Does he not realize the American people spent at record levels in 2021, all while managing to stash away $2.7 trillion in excess savings over the period of the pandemic (a record by the way).

Is he not aware that 2021 saw the largest wage gains in history, with the lower wage earners seeing the largest percentage of this wage increase?

Is our economy perfect? Obviously not..Is our economy fair and equitable? Not even close. Is inflation a real problem? Duh. Are the statistics I listed indicative of a "crushed economy"? Fucking please.

Young Brady's line of jive is straight out of his ilks playbook. Lies, disinformation and culture wars. All in an attempt to tap into our reptilian brains, which does nothing but create fear, anxiety, and anger. I for one ain't playing their cowardly game.
 
Can I hear from someone who is VERY familiar with Canadian constitutional law?

So often Americans gaze crosses a national boundary and see a wrong being committed on citizens of the other country that might violate Constitutional protections in the US...but how can the US Constitution be stretched beyond our borders?


Since when is freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly considered undemocratic?
 
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remember 9 out of ten dentists recommend flossing for teeth health. That tenth dentist is totally worth listening to. You have to get all sides of the story to make the right decision for your health.
 
@Brady Chapman these protests aren't about covid. Covid is just a vehicle for widening economic disparity between the rich and the poor.

Pivoting to Australia from being called out for your ignorance concerning masks is a straightforward logical fallacy. Quit casting about and get your people to vote for the freedom to work for decent wages and affordable healthcare.

While all parties are not functioning well, the right wing parties are really doubling down on lying and leveraging their version of "Jesus". There is so much room for everyone to occupy in bettering our world, but you - particularly you - need to reach for that. A lot of us really could use some help from real, science-based heavy lifting that we have been doing over the course of the pandemic. I don't need to be right, I just want to quite this self-inflicted mass death and get back to dealing with wealth inequality.
First of all, I never said that the protests were about covid. The protests are about government overreach. My main message here is that I believe that the Canadian truckers, as well as the rest of the protestors, are doing something very important, and I stand with them. Regarding the issue of governments wielding too much power over their citizens, Australia is the perfect example of when a government goes too far. I’m astounded that this is even debatable at this point.

And I agree with you that all parties are not functioning well. Government is filled to the brim with corrupt self-serving politicians on both sides. And I agree that we all need to reach across the table whenever possible in order to create a better world. I’m all for that. You, as well as many others, need to understand, however, that this freedom movement (that is happening all over the world mind you) transcends political lines. There are people on both sides, from all walks of life, creeds, and colors who are seeing the tyrannical way some of these heads of state are operating. My god look at Trudeau’s comments about his own countrymen and even some of the members of parliament. This man is out of control in my opinion. But it is not just me, and we are not a fringe minority, as he likes to say. Even though I’m pretty sure he knows better.

And I totally agree that covid was, and still is, a vehicle for widening economic disparity. I made a comment earlier about the transfer of wealth. That was cited from Robert F Kennedy’s new book, “The Real Anthony Fauci.” You should check it out. I believe what we are seeing here is a corporate takeover of the entire world (and I am not the only who believes that either, check out notable author Vivek Ramaswamy. He was on Bill Maher last week). We have many unelected officials moving through the revolving door of government, huge corporations, and other agencies that wield great power.

And I also agree that many of us would benefit from some science based heavy lifting. But when one side is constantly censored and labeled as misinformation, even though many of the sources are from highly credentialed, highly credible professionals of their field, don’t we have a problem? The assault on free speech is alarming to say the least, and if anyone tries to deny that there is not an immense amount of censorship taking place on our social media platforms, they are not paying close attention. Just look at how Dr. Robert Malone is being treated. One of the inventors of mRNA technology and an insanely accomplished individual in the medical community has been totally taken out of the conversation. You should really check out the Joe Rogan interview with Dr. Malone (and Peter McCullough for that matter), and just listen to this man. Don’t google him, or do what Rico would do, look at Snopes or Politifact. Just listen to the man with your own ears, and with an open mind and an open heart, and ask yourself: does this man deserve the treatment he has received? And if not, then why is this happening? I believe when people start asking the right questions we are going to see a mass awakening. In fact, it has already started.
 
Anyone else notice that the OP (Brady) is conspicuously absent from his own thread. It appears the young fella decided to drop some ignorance and disinformation, cut and run, and then hide in the corner. Very telling me thinks..

A shame because I was looking forward to continuing our debate over his assertion that our economy is "crushed"?

Was he referring the the US economy that created 6.4 million jobs in 2021? A record by the way.

Was he referring the 2021 US economy that created the highest GDP growth in 35-40 years?

Does he not realize the American people spent at record levels in 2021, all while managing to stash away $2.7 trillion in excess savings over the period of the pandemic (a record by the way).

Is he not aware that 2021 saw the largest wage gains in history, with the lower wage earners seeing the largest percentage of this wage increase?

Is our economy perfect? Obviously not..Is our economy fair and equitable? Not even close. Is inflation a real problem? Duh. Are the statistics I listed indicative of a "crushed economy"? Fucking please.

Young Brady's line of jive is straight out of his ilks playbook. Lies, disinformation and culture wars. All in an attempt to tap into our reptilian brains, which does nothing but create fear, anxiety, and anger. I for one ain't playing their cowardly game.
Sorry Rico, I’ve been a bit busy. Lots of good things happening for Top Notch Tree Service right now. Just got the new bucket truck lettered, been lining up a bunch of work for the spring, and have been doing some crane shopping. My wife and I just started a Crane Company. We have an llc, a logo, a bank account, an ein number, an employee to operate it…just no crane yet, lol. The search seems to be over though, we found one we both like, just need to iron out some of the details. So yes, business is good. There are many people who are not feeling the effects of the condition of the economy, and to be fair to your point, maybe “crushed” was a poor word choice relating to the economy as a whole. What I should have said was, many people’s businesses, jobs and careers have been severely affected by the government mandates and lockdowns. Thank god that it is getting better, but the aftermath is still apparent everywhere…if you look. I know several people who have had to quit their jobs (good paying jobs) because they refused to get the jab. In our hometown, the number of restaurants that closed down (Forever!) had a profound impact on our residents as well as second homeowners and vacationers (we are a big tourist town). I wonder how many mom and pop stores closed within the past two years (remember it was supposed to be two weeks to flatten the curve) that sold many of the same goods that someone could readily buy at a Walmart. The truth is, we could go back and forth for a while about the economy and the effect that the plandemic has had on it. But that gets away from the real core issue of the original post. The original post was a nod to the truckers and the other freedom lovers standing strong against what they believe is an unjustifiable set of the rules and regulations for which the utility has run its course. I think most people’s knee jerk reaction in early 2020 was to regard the virus with a healthy level of respect (and for some, a heavy level of fear). And rightfully so. But here we are, 2 years later, and we have had a chance to see what this thing is, and it is not capable of. It’s no surprise that people are fed up with the rigmarole. If vaccination rate is up, and cases are down, then why the need for vaccine passports. Why the silly quarantine procedures? Why all the other bullshit that keeps us from resembling that of the free society we knew such a short time ago? I think there is something else going on here. I know you won’t agree, and this post will cause you to give me another laundry list of things to respond to. But that’s fine. I don’t need to convince you. The fact is I feel it in my heart, in my gut, and in my bones that something else is afoot here. I feel it, the truckers feel it, and so many millions around the globe feel it too. You can continue be dismissive of these people, and the ideals for which they stand for, but there is nothing commendable about doing that. Why don’t you say something positive for a change. That’s one thing virtually all of your posts are devoid of.



There :) Did that post fit the bill for my normal level of creation of fear, anger, and anxiety? What else would you expect from a coward ;)
 
Can I hear from someone who is VERY familiar with Canadian constitutional law?

So often Americans gaze crosses a national boundary and see a wrong being committed on citizens of the other country that might violate Constitutional protections in the US...but how can the US Constitution be stretched beyond our borders?
Brian Peckford is the last living signer of the Canadian charter of rights. I watched Jordan Peterson interview him a couple weeks ago. You are not going to find a more credible source to weigh in on the current situation (pre trucker protest situation) than this man. The only question is: Will you watch the whole interview Tom? I would love to hear your thoughts.
 
I'm not going to take an hour and a half to watch the video.

In your own words...what do you know about Canadian rights? I expect that you can make your own claimed point without leaning on anyone else.
 
First of all, I never said that the protests were about covid. The protests are about government overreach. My main message here is that I believe that the Canadian truckers, as well as the rest of the protestors, are doing something very important, and I stand with them. Regarding the issue of governments wielding too much power over their citizens, Australia is the perfect example of when a government goes too far. I’m astounded that this is even debatable at this point.

And I agree with you that all parties are not functioning well. Government is filled to the brim with corrupt self-serving politicians on both sides. And I agree that we all need to reach across the table whenever possible in order to create a better world. I’m all for that. You, as well as many others, need to understand, however, that this freedom movement (that is happening all over the world mind you) transcends political lines. There are people on both sides, from all walks of life, creeds, and colors who are seeing the tyrannical way some of these heads of state are operating. My god look at Trudeau’s comments about his own countrymen and even some of the members of parliament. This man is out of control in my opinion. But it is not just me, and we are not a fringe minority, as he likes to say. Even though I’m pretty sure he knows better.

And I totally agree that covid was, and still is, a vehicle for widening economic disparity. I made a comment earlier about the transfer of wealth. That was cited from Robert F Kennedy’s new book, “The Real Anthony Fauci.” You should check it out. I believe what we are seeing here is a corporate takeover of the entire world (and I am not the only who believes that either, check out notable author Vivek Ramaswamy. He was on Bill Maher last week). We have many unelected officials moving through the revolving door of government, huge corporations, and other agencies that wield great power.

And I also agree that many of us would benefit from some science based heavy lifting. But when one side is constantly censored and labeled as misinformation, even though many of the sources are from highly credentialed, highly credible professionals of their field, don’t we have a problem? The assault on free speech is alarming to say the least, and if anyone tries to deny that there is not an immense amount of censorship taking place on our social media platforms, they are not paying close attention. Just look at how Dr. Robert Malone is being treated. One of the inventors of mRNA technology and an insanely accomplished individual in the medical community has been totally taken out of the conversation. You should really check out the Joe Rogan interview with Dr. Malone (and Peter McCullough for that matter), and just listen to this man. Don’t google him, or do what Rico would do, look at Snopes or Politifact. Just listen to the man with your own ears, and with an open mind and an open heart, and ask yourself: does this man deserve the treatment he has received? And if not, then why is this happening? I believe when people start asking the right questions we are going to see a mass awakening. In fact, it has already started.
You once again try and divert from the simple fact that your statement concerning N95’s and covid droplet size was pure ignorance. Nice try though.
 
Sorry Rico, I’ve been a bit busy. Lots of good things happening for Top Notch Tree Service right now. Just got the new bucket truck lettered, been lining up a bunch of work for the spring, and have been doing some crane shopping. My wife and I just started a Crane Company. We have an llc, a logo, a bank account, an ein number, an employee to roperate it…just no crane yet, lol. The search seems to be over though, we found one we both like, just need to iron out some of the details. So yes, business is good. There are many people who are not feeling the effects of the condition of the economy, and to be fair to your point, maybe “crushed” was a poor word choice relating to the economy as a whole. What I should have said was, many people’s businesses, jobs and careers have been severely affected by the government mandates and lockdowns. Thank god that it is getting better, but the aftermath is still apparent everywhere…if you look. I know several people who have had to quit their jobs (good paying jobs) because they refused to get the jab. In our hometown, the number of restaurants that closed down (Forever!) had a profound impact on our residents as well as second homeowners and vacationers (we are a big tourist town). I wonder how many mom and pop stores closed within the past two years (remember it was supposed to be two weeks to flatten the curve) that sold many of the same goods that someone could readily buy at a Walmart. The truth is, we could go back and forth for a while about the economy and the effect that the plandemic has had on it. But that gets away from the real core issue of the original post. The original post was a nod to the truckers and the other freedom lovers standing strong against what they believe is an unjustifiable set of the rules and regulations for which the utility has run its course. I think most people’s knee jerk reaction in early 2020 was to regard the virus with a healthy level of respect (and for some, a heavy level of fear). And rightfully so. But here we are, 2 years later, and we have had a chance to see what this thing is, and it is not capable of. It’s no surprise that people are fed up with the rigmarole. If vaccination rate is up, and cases are down, then why the need for vaccine passports. Why the silly quarantine procedures? Why all the other bullshit that keeps us from resembling that of the free society we knew such a short time ago? I think there is something else going on here. I know you won’t agree, and this post will cause you to give me another laundry list of things to respond to. But that’s fine. I don’t need to convince you. The fact is I feel it in my heart, in my gut, and in my bones that something else is afoot here. I feel it, the truckers feel it, and so many millions around the globe feel it too. You can continue be dismissive of these people, and the ideals for which they stand for, but there is nothing commendable about doing that. Why don’t you say something positive for a change. That’s one thing virtually all of your posts are devoid of.



There :) Did that post fit the bill for my normal level of creation of fear, anger, and anxiety? What else would you exSorry Rico, I’ve been a bit busy. Lots of good things happening for Top Notch Tree Service right now. Just got the new bucket truck lettered, been lining up a bunch of work for the spring, and have been doing some crane shopping. My wife and I just started a Crane Company. We have an llc, a logo, a bank account, an ein number, an employee to operate it…just no crane yet, lol. The search seems to be over though, we found one we both like, just need to iron out some of the details. So yes, business is good. There are many people who are not feeling the effects of the condition of the economy, and to be fair to your point, maybe “crushed” was a poor word choice relating to the economy as a whole. What I should have said was, many people’s businesses, jobs and careers have been severely affected by the government mandates and lockdowns. Thank god that it is getting better, but the aftermath is still apparent everywhere…if you look. I know several people who have had to quit their jobs (good paying jobs) because they refused to get the jab. In our hometown, the number of restaurants that closed down (Forever!) had a profound impact on our residents as well as second homeowners and vacationers (we are a big tourist town). I wonder how many mom and pop stores closed within the past two years (remember it was supposed to be two weeks to flatten the curve) that sold many of the same goods that someone could readily buy at a Walmart. The truth is, we could go back and forth for a while about the economy and the effect that the plandemic has had on it. But that gets away from the real core issue of the original post. The original post was a nod to the truckers and the other freedom lovers standing strong against what they believe is an unjustifiable set of the rules and regulations for which the utility has run its course. I think most people’s knee jerk reaction in early 2020 was to regard the virus with a healthy level of respect (and for some, a heavy level of fear). And rightfully so. But here we are, 2 years later, and we have had a chance to see what this thing is, and it is not capable of. It’s no surprise that people are fed up with the rigmarole. If vaccination rate is up, and cases are down, then why the need for vaccine passports. Why the silly quarantine procedures? Why all the other bullshit that keeps us from resembling that of the free society we knew such a short time ago? I think there is something else going on here. I know you won’t agree, and this post will cause you to give me another laundry list of things to respond to. But that’s fine. I don’t need to convince you. The fact is I feel it in my heart, in my gut, and in my bones that something else is afoot here. I feel it, the truckers feel it, and so many millions around the globe feel it too. You can continue be dismissive of these people, and the ideals for which they stand for, but there is nothing commendable about doing that. Why don’t you say something positive for a change. That’s one thing virtually all of your posts are devoid of.
There :) Did that post fit the bill for my normal level of creation of fear, anger, and anxiety? What else would you expect from a coward
I don’t think you get it. I have no beef with the truckers and as long as they are not breaking laws, or resorting to violence they should be free to have their voices heard.

My beef is with your falsehoods. Case in point. At the very moment you are claiming that our economy is “crushed” you are out shopping for a new crane, and business is booming.

Beware of those who speak with a forked tongue.
 
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I'm not going to take an hour and a half to watch the video.

In your own words...what do you know about Canadian rights? I expect that you can make your own claimed point without leaning on anyone else.
You really should. Instead of your favorite netflix show, take a little time out of your night to learn something.
 
I'm not going to take an hour and a half to watch the video...

Good lord, Tom, why not? You have spent far more time than that in the pursuit of knowledge. The question you asked to be clarified can only be done by someone fully versed in that subject. It is not common knowledge that a tree person would be expected to have.

If you truly want an answer to your question, you now have a source.
 

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