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92 years old Republican thinks Trump is Genius ?


92 years old Republican's opinion on Trump

George H W Bush on Trump
He calls him Trump is a Blow hard .
I call Shadowscape just an another mental disorder nutty narcissist who thinks himself as intelligent . LoL you better blow ..."harder" :risas2:... LMAO, F @ G.
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What is a typical gaslighting?

Deflecting and confusing a victim are hallmarks of gaslighting, and perpetrators often " refuse to take responsibility for their actions " Dr. Hairston says. Gaslighters might accuse their victim of deliberately provoking them and then blame the victim when they get angry.
 
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JCB said:
What if we choose to change the direction of this thread--or start a new thread (better idea?)--where we discuss the daily machinations of the coming state and federal trials, each of which comprises crimes never tried before?

Are we interested in starting a new thread to discuss these ongoing, historic trials? If so, I'm happy to start that thread and link to it from here. How about a simple page in Off Topics called The Trials of 2023?

I know that some of you like to play chess; perhaps we can all try to treat our talks as a chess game, wherein we reason before acting. How many of us will participate in constructive communication as we explore America's uncertain future?
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Well, so much for constructive communication . . .
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Finally...

After whispers and chatter in the hallways the New Hampshire Attorney General is looking hard at the 14th Amendment

The heat went up a degree.

Statement on 14th Amendment Election Law Questions | News Releases | NH Department of Justice

Both the Secretary of State's Office and the Attorney General's Office are aware of public discourse regarding the potential applicability of Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution to the upcoming presidential election cycle
www.doj.nh.gov
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According to section 3 of the 14th amendment Donny is disqualified from holding office in the future.

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rico said:
According to section 3 of the 14th amendment Donny is disqualified from holding office in the future.

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For this to be accurate he would first need to be convicted of participating in an insurrection/rebellion. Not even sure he’s been charged with anything of the sort. (There are so many charges…)

If candidates for office can be summarily disqualified by any politically motivated state AG, we have a serious issue. Like constitutional crisis level issue. What would we do if only red states had Trump on the ballot and only blue states had Biden? The system fails.
 
Bucknut said:
For this to be accurate he would first need to be convicted of participating in an insurrection/rebellion. Not even sure he’s been charged with anything of the sort. (There are so many charges…)

If candidates for office can be summarily disqualified by any politically motivated state AG, we have a serious issue. Like constitutional crisis level issue. What would we do if only red states had Trump on the ballot and only blue states had Biden? The system fails.
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He was found guilty of inciting and supporting an insurrection during his 2nd impeachment. He just wasn't punished for the crime.

On the other hand, my fear is that the position or title of "President" is not specifically mentioned in the Amendment.
 
Boomslang said:
No person shall...hold any office...under the United States...who, having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.

There are a lot of other words in there, but these are the important ones.
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I will point out that for each of those ellipses you added, trump's lawyers will make a technical argument.
 
Just saw this, neither here nor there…. but credit where it’s due: he’s following the law as it currently stands in AZ, despite his party affiliation.

thehill.com

Trump can’t be barred from Arizona’s 2024 ballot, says Democratic secretary of state

Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes (D) said he does not have the ability to bar former President Donald Trump from running for president in his state Wednesday. There have been calls to bar t…
thehill.com thehill.com
 
Boomslang said:
No person shall...hold any office...under the United States...who, having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.

There are a lot of other words in there, but these are the important ones.
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One problem with all of this is, even when found guilty of insurrection under the 14th amendment, enforcement of it lies solely with Congress, per the Enforcement Acts. If Congress does not take action against him; it is all mute.
 
Like I said, I would expect at least a conviction on the charge of insurrection to be judged to have participated in one. Gotta be careful when playing these games. What if Repubs solidify power someday and decide that there is ample proof that Biden took money/bribes from the Chinese in exchange for influence? Is that providing aid to an enemy, tantamount to insurrection? Slippery slope.

Who the hell gets to define what an insurrection is? Lots of people would say Biden is subverting our national interests by “disappearing” our southern border. Can we jail him for life now? How about just DQ’ing him from the next election? I don’t think so.
 
Shadowscape said:
If Congress does not take action against him;
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THe next day to celebrate is Incarceration Day. We are in for a hard slog until that day.
Bucknut said:
How about just DQ’ing him from the next election?
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Bucknut,

Your comments are on possibilities in the future. My question is more about the issue at hand...January 6.
 
Bucknut said:
Like I said, I would expect at least a conviction on the charge of insurrection to be judged to have participated in one. . .
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Trump directly incited the attack on the Capital. The whole thing happened because of him and his instructions to the crowd to 'stop the steal'. You don't consider that participating materially in what happened? Trump is directly responsible for all the damage and at least one, possibly three, deaths resulting from that day's shameful events. And what the hell does Biden or his dealings have to do with it? Sure, if Biden is guilty of something, he should answer for it. That has nothing to do with Trump finally having to answer for his multiple crimes.
 
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