Fu*%face Von Clownstick

I don't think it was a mistake to get it out there, but numb nuts with his, inject disinfectant, and light will cure it in minutes, and it is not a big deal bullshit made the situation much worse than it needed to be. But then, he screwed everything up and made it worse.
 
rico said:
“whoever saves one life, saves the world entire”

We all like to piss and moan about all the suffering and inconvenience we had to endure during covid, but maybe, just maybe, all those covid measures saved the life of one of your loved ones?
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Yes exactly. Same with gun issue and enviroment issue. Large and loud groups of people are into this all or nothing idea. If we cant stop all gun violence lets not do anything, if we cant solve all enviromental problems in 1 swoop lets not take any steps . If we cant stop or solve covid entirely we should do nothing. The whole mask issue is a perfect example.
 
Muggs said:
We all recognize the faulty logic of this argument, whether we care to admit it or not. Hundreds of people die in the US every year in swimming pool accidents. Where are the public demands for health officials and bureaucrats to force the closure of all backyard swimming pools?

We can all agree that if we forced every single driver and passenger in vehicles on the roads to wear full body harnesses and helmets, similar to NASCAR, and we reduced the speed limits on the roads by 80%, that we would save hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we could prevent every, single, fatality and injury on the roads, if we could just force everybody to stop driving. But we don't do it. Why? Maybe because somewhere, in some tiny little back pocket of our brains, we all understand that life involves risk.

There are literally thousands of things that government over-reach could force on the population that would save a lot more than just one life.
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This is faulty logic. This is all or nothing thinking. All your examples are not reasonable. Speed limits, seat belts, masks and vaccines are reasonable. A law saying we can not climb trees because it is dangerous would not be reasonable. Being required to wear a helmet when climbing a tree is reasonable. How many of you dont wear a helmet because being required to wear one violates your freedom?
 
I really don't want to completely derail this thread that is supposed to be about "Fu*%face Von Clownstick". There are other threads to talk about the pandemic. I have never advocated that we should have done "nothing" , nor would I ever claim that we did "all". I am simply pointing out that a lot of what was done was arbitrary, and not just in hindsight. And that setting the burden of proof of a policy at "just one life saved" is an extremely low goalpost when that policy will effect millions. To say that the whole thing was grossly mismanaged is an understatement, whether you like blue hats or red hats. Trump is an asshat, and I do wish we had better people in charge of things, both then, and now.
 
Muggs said:
I really don't want to completely derail this thread that is supposed to be about "Fu*%face Von Clownstick". There are other threads to talk about the pandemic. I have never advocated that we should have done "nothing" , nor would I ever claim that we did "all". I am simply pointing out that a lot of what was done was arbitrary, and not just in hindsight. And that setting the burden of proof of a policy at "just one life saved" is an extremely low goalpost when that policy will effect millions. To say that the whole thing was grossly mismanaged is an understatement, whether you like blue hats or red hats. Trump is an asshat, and I do wish we had better people in charge of things, both then, and now.
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Nice topping in the wind, by the way. Looks like you have a good ground man.
 
Muggs said:
I really don't want to completely derail this thread that is supposed to be about "Fu*%face Von Clownstick". There are other threads to talk about the pandemic. I have never advocated that we should have done "nothing" , nor would I ever claim that we did "all". I am simply pointing out that a lot of what was done was arbitrary, and not just in hindsight. And that setting the burden of proof of a policy at "just one life saved" is an extremely low goalpost when that policy will effect millions. To say that the whole thing was grossly mismanaged is an understatement, whether you like blue hats or red hats. Trump is an asshat, and I do wish we had better people in charge of things, both then, and now.
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Suggesting that everyone stop driving is an example of " all " in my equation. Preventing 1 death isnt enough to take reasonable steps is the do nothing. I understand your point. I dont think you are saying we should do nothing. The real question is what steps should the gov take in these cases that are reasonable? 1 death isnt your theshold to take reasonable steps. What is? I am quessing few people in our country die each year from hand grenades, why not make them legal then? Why because they are dangerous and it is reasonable to make a law preventing people from owning them. Alot of what was done was not arbitrary. In fact the exact oppisite. Steps put in place were things that made reasonable sense. Masks, vaccines both reasonable steps when dealing with a virus that in the past have been used. How much closing of schools, work places etc was necesary is open for debate. Surely closing nothing or closing everything wasnt reasonable.
 
Perhaps if trump had once considered using the Obama administration's Pandemic playbook and kept politics out of it, we might have accepted that 1. This was a worldwide crisis and 2. There were global organizations and very wise people in place to handle it. It is a government's job to protect citizens during health catastrophes--and segregating sick people is the primary part of that process. It's the way all pandemics are handled--and no one has come up with a better idea.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

When we act like America's policies were overly restrictive, we should recall that the entire world shut down:

If the next pandemic starts in America, do we really want China and the rest of the world to blame it on us, or would we wish them to work with us to overcome it? Would we want American nurses and doctors to be harassed, to leave the medical profession altogether, or to commit suicide?

Thousands of people around the world still die of COVID every day; to deny that fact is madness. Will those who prioritize "freedom" over public safety wish to share the grocery store with Ebola patients, should it come to that? Probably . . . and that's very sad.

Three of my cousins died after avoiding vaccines for political reasons; trump and his followers are largely responsible for that. And now we can look forward to measles and other types of outbreaks due to anti-vaccine fallacies. It's nuts!
 
Dr. Shigo admonished us about bridging biology and botany. I'm going to make a thought bridge here though.

In the early days of EAB a task force of agency foresters/arborists in the affected region gathered to come up with some structure for dealing with EAB. They reached out to people at the CDC to get a different outlook.

Epidemics, no matter their heritage, act alike is what was discussed. In the end the tree care folks agreed on some variety of sanitation and inoculation. Through the years of COVID issues I've been surprised that arbos who have cut down trees with DED, EAB, etc etc or used industry accepted injections didn't bridge their thoughts to COVID. Epidemics are epidemics is what the CDC brought to our game.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Dr. Shigo admonished us about bridging biology and botany. I'm going to make a thought bridge here though.

In the early days of EAB a task force of agency foresters/arborists in the affected region gathered to come up with some structure for dealing with EAB. They reached out to people at the CDC to get a different outlook.

Epidemics, no matter their heritage, act alike is what was discussed. In the end the tree care folks agreed on some variety of sanitation and inoculation. Through the years of COVID issues I've been surprised that arbos who have cut down trees with DED, EAB, etc etc or used industry accepted injections didn't bridge their thoughts to COVID. Epidemics are epidemics is what the CDC brought to our game.
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This is because Trump took a science conversation and turned it political, us against you. Thats what he does. If Trump was involved with the EAB conversation we would be having people freaking out saying treating their Ash tree violates their freedom and their religious liberties.
 
The walk of shame has begun for all those involved in the illegal plot to undue/overthrow Georgia’s result of the 202O election. Donny is reportedly gonna turn himself in on Thursday, and if there is any rule of law left in this country he will be promptly escorted to a jail cell where he will remain awaiting trial. Should be a fun and interesting week here in Merica!

www.bbc.com

Trump Georgia co-defendant John Eastman turns himself in

Ex-Trump lawyer John Eastman is one of two accused in the Georgia indictment to surrender on Tuesday.
www.bbc.com
 
I'm waiting for him to violate his conditions of bail by opening his mouth. Then I want to see him taken into custody by orders of the judge. This is going to be fun.
 
I've been in jail for much less that's for sure... it's a horrible experience. I still have dreams I'm getting arrested and sentenced all in one go but I've been a legal eagle straight shooter for 10 years at least. It fucks up your head forever, getting locked up. I really wouldn't wish on anyone for the most part... but maybe it'd be good for trump to get locked up for a minute. I don't think he could take it, he'd be kicking and screaming and get the jacket and the spit mask on the first day lol
 
I believe that Trump knows his legal goose is pretty much cooked, and that his only possible way out is to try and incite massive civil unrest. What better way to do this than to intentionally get himself detained awaiting trial, then sit back at watch his cult members loose their shit. Trump is a soulless coward who would do anything to save himself, no matter who or how many lives were lost or ruined. That being said, I think Donny grossly overestimates how many Americans are actually gonna be willing to lay down their lives and freedom to save his ass.
 
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