Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Muggs said:
He is a narcissist who has been talking about political aspirations for decades. He is an opportunist who found a way to cash in on the disaffected viewpoints of millions of Americans who have been feeling for 30 years or more that the people at the top were intentionally putting foreign interests ahead of domestic ones. I think people voted for him because he was an actual political outsider and he said he was going to approach things differently. And after decades of mismanagement by "professional" politicians, I think people just figured what the hell, lets see what this guy does. There are an awful lot of people who just want to burn things down. On both sides of the aisle, by the way.
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While I can accept that trump merely exposed the hate, racism, economic/social inequity, and misogyny that already existed, he is massively responsible for nurturing those social issues from the presidential bully-pulpit (which he had no right to do per his oath of office). Was a percentage of Germans predisposed to Hitler's machinations? Yes. Was it the best path for Germany or its people? History would indicate not. Like Hitler, trump made it acceptable to hate openly, and to violently crush one's opponents. "Heil Hitler!" "Trump sent us!" It's all the same . . .

So, yes, punishing trump and his helpers is probably the most important (and patriotic) thing that the U.S. can do to right itself. Will putting them down save us from ourselves? No, we need to accomplish that with a massive and far-reaching reality check.

Honestly, when I learn that someone (a friend, a family member, a stranger) still supports trump, I lose almost all respect for them--and trust in them. To support trump is to hate and disparage much of what I (and my forebears) believe in. For me, it's not OK for anyone to rationalize another vote for trump (or disantis, or any of these other vicious, hatemongers) by stating that they have a right to disagree politically, and to vote for any candidate they choose. When you hire an employee, do you assign the same value to each candidate, or do you assess their behavior and accomplishments?

To be a credible presidential candidate, one must have a firm knowledge of history, government, ethics, and be able to read a daily briefing that hasn't been watered down to a one-page, large-print summary. Has trump ever (accurately) framed any of his opinions or decisions in a comprehensive historical context? No? Then he is not qualified to be president--and never was. Therefore, one does our country a dangerous disservice by voting for him.

Meanwhile, to go on thinking that trump is (ever was) a political outsider is nonsense, for he has used legal loopholes and political connections to steal from, and destroy, others throughout his life. In any case, why should any of us be willing to forfeit our own principles, our ability to reason, and our responsibilities as U.S. citizens in the name of any one person!

Trump is a criminal--a selfish, rabid animal who should be caged to help ensure public safety. That way, his followers (and the world) will see that our country's soul is still intact--and that buying ever more guns for the next coup is not the answer. Just ask proud-boy Enrique Tarrio, who might now be jailed for 30 years. As he should be. (I'd make him and trump bunk-mates.)

Again, will punishing trump and his cohorts solve all of the inequities that led to him being elected in the first place? Absolutely not! Will it send a message that we still believe in fairness, justice, human rights, equitable education, and each other? It will.
 
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Muggs said:
Meanwhile, the Normals were going around saying things like "if it saves just one life!".
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“whoever saves one life, saves the world entire”

We all like to piss and moan about all the suffering and inconvenience we had to endure during covid, but maybe, just maybe, all those covid measures saved the life of one of your loved ones?
 
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I also think it’s interesting to note that according to the CDC, more than 92% of voting age Americans have gotten vaccinated. That means that a lot of the folks screaming about computer chips that fit through needles and somehow had enough power to send a tracking signal mostly all got vaxed. A statistically significant percentage of Trump voters do care about their neighbors, even if they spew hate speech when interviewed.
 
I didn't care if you did not want to wear a mask during covid, that was your right. What I did care about was you spreading it to me. That is just being a stupid individual with no caring for other people's lives. You carried, MY RIGHTS beyond yourself that could kill other people who have rights as well. Just selfish complaining for the sake of saying you have rights. Fuck all you who refused to wear a mask in the grocery store, or other public places. I suppose if you had smallpox, you would do the same. Bastard assholes.
As a side note, I lost four good friends to covid. And no, they were not all old. One was 19 and one was 43.
 
We all recognize the faulty logic of this argument, whether we care to admit it or not. Hundreds of people die in the US every year in swimming pool accidents. Where are the public demands for health officials and bureaucrats to force the closure of all backyard swimming pools?

We can all agree that if we forced every single driver and passenger in vehicles on the roads to wear full body harnesses and helmets, similar to NASCAR, and we reduced the speed limits on the roads by 80%, that we would save hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we could prevent every, single, fatality and injury on the roads, if we could just force everybody to stop driving. But we don't do it. Why? Maybe because somewhere, in some tiny little back pocket of our brains, we all understand that life involves risk.

There are literally thousands of things that government over-reach could force on the population that would save a lot more than just one life.
 
And millions of people weren’t forced to get vaccinated and chose to accept the perceived risks and get vaccinated anyway. The vitriol around the notion of getting vaccinated was over the top, and not backed up with action. Unless you think the CDC just makes up those numbers to deceive people into thinking that not all magats are as shitty as they purport themselves to be.
 
Muggs said:
We all recognize the faulty logic of this argument, whether we care to admit it or not. Hundreds of people die in the US every year in swimming pool accidents. Where are the public demands for health officials and bureaucrats to force the closure of all backyard swimming pools?

We can all agree that if we forced every single driver and passenger in vehicles on the roads to wear full body harnesses and helmets, similar to NASCAR, and we reduced the speed limits on the roads by 80%, that we would save hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we could prevent every, single, fatality and injury on the roads, if we could just force everybody to stop driving. But we don't do it. Why? Maybe because somewhere, in some tiny little back pocket of our brains, we all understand that life involves risk.

There are literally thousands of things that government over-reach could force on the population that would save a lot more than just one life.
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There’s other more logical reasons why we don’t have those laws. They wouldn’t have the effect you’re hypothesizing. The masks were a public health issue. Similarly, you’re allowed to shit wherever you want on your private property so long as your shit doesn’t contaminate the public water supply. You can’t shit into the creek that flows through your property, because it’s pretty likely to make folks downstream sick. That’s why the masks were mandatory in most places, but not the vaccine. It’s a matter of how likely it is to affect a majority of people.

Also, I’m pretty sure that mask mandates came down from state governments not federal. I may have forgotten, but the federal government only authorized the states to do it, and only mandated it to their own employees. Lots of places around here were mask free zones.
 
Road and highway safety is one of the single biggest public health challenges that we face, and we could fix it tomorrow by government force. It would save just one life, and then some.
 
Muggs said:
Road and highway safety is one of the single biggest public health challenges that we face, and we could fix it tomorrow by government force. It would save just one life, and then some.
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And I do wish that the world would just slow the fuck down. I would love to see cars limited severely, for those and other reasons. It’s also apparent that many people will act directly against their own best interests as much as they’d do shitty things to others, and need to be protected from themselves as much as everyone else needs to be protected from them. Without rules, shit just falls apart. I could make examples all day, but I trust that you get what I’m saying.
 
Muggs said:
We all recognize the faulty logic of this argument, whether we care to admit it or not. Hundreds of people die in the US every year in swimming pool accidents. Where are the public demands for health officials and bureaucrats to force the closure of all backyard swimming pools?

We can all agree that if we forced every single driver and passenger in vehicles on the roads to wear full body harnesses and helmets, similar to NASCAR, and we reduced the speed limits on the roads by 80%, that we would save hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we could prevent every, single, fatality and injury on the roads, if we could just force everybody to stop driving. But we don't do it. Why? Maybe because somewhere, in some tiny little back pocket of our brains, we all understand that life involves risk.

There are literally thousands of things that government over-reach could force on the population that would save a lot more than just one life.
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Those affect the people who are doing the activity, not the innocent ones who are killed because someone else didn't care.
A motorcycle rider who doesn't wear a helmet is only affecting their outcome. Killing me or a member of my family because you think it is your right not to wear a mask in public is ludicrous.
If your child died because they caught covid in a grocery store, you would sing a different tune.
 
Matias said:
Ultimately rules only exist to account for our lowest common denominators; our weak links. If people would just stay the fuck away from everyone else as soon as they get sick, then diseases would become a smaller part of our reality. That would be nice, but people are selfish.
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Yep. On friday I had a neighbor ask me to come by and look at some tree work even though he had a family member in his household with covid. This POS didn’t say a word to us as he knowingly exposed my wife and myself to covid. I had to hear it from a fucking neighbor. Needless to say I won’t being doing any tree work for this fella in the future.
 
Shadowscape said:
Those affect the people who are doing the activity, not the innocent ones who are killed because someone else didn't care.
A motorcycle rider who doesn't wear a helmet is only affecting their outcome. Killing me or a member of my family because you think it is your right not to wear a mask in public is ludicrous.
If your child died because they caught covid in a grocery store, you would sing a different tune.
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Thousands of innocent passengers and pedestrians are killed every year on the roadways. People who did nothing wrong.
 
I have not said anything whatsoever about masks or the maga jabs. I'm not talking about that stuff at all. I'm talking about the supposed logic of using government force to impose (insert arbitrary policy here) to save just one life.
 
Muggs said:
I have not said anything whatsoever about masks or the maga jabs. I'm not talking about that stuff at all. I'm talking about the supposed logic of using government force to impose (insert arbitrary policy here) to save just one life.
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My apologies.
But doesn't Government forced mask wearing fall into your category? You are correct, you didn't say anything about that. So, where do you stand on that issue? Just so I don't stomp on your toes unjustified once again.
 
Muggs said:
You know, things like closing down the parks for inner city kids, or arresting solitary surfers in the water, or forcing the closure of millions of small businesses.
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You know, for less than what ended up being spent out of the public coffers, the government could have provided the means for everyone to safely endure a real serious 3 week lockdown, and if everyone would’ve taken it seriously, for the good of all including themselves, then there’s a very real possibility that we could have seen things play out very differently. People were too stubborn from the start, demanding their freedom from the tyranny of the very idea of being helped or helping others. I’m not pointing fingers, because there were bad actors in every corner, and there still are. Nobody’s camp is spotless. But the idea that everyone has it out for you is not supported by the available data. Some do and some don’t, and a lot goes into getting objective information.
 
Muggs said:
We all recognize the faulty logic of this argument, whether we care to admit it or not. Hundreds of people die in the US every year in swimming pool accidents. Where are the public demands for health officials and bureaucrats to force the closure of all backyard swimming pools?

We can all agree that if we forced every single driver and passenger in vehicles on the roads to wear full body harnesses and helmets, similar to NASCAR, and we reduced the speed limits on the roads by 80%, that we would save hundreds of thousands of lives. Hell, we could prevent every, single, fatality and injury on the roads, if we could just force everybody to stop driving. But we don't do it. Why? Maybe because somewhere, in some tiny little back pocket of our brains, we all understand that life involves risk.

There are literally thousands of things that government over-reach could force on the population that would save a lot more than just one life.
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I would love it if we some how got rid of cars. F..k cars. Bikes are so much more fun. Cars make riding my bike less fun.
 
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