Fu*%face Von Clownstick

rico said:
Arb23 and his fellow cult members have clearly been backed into a corner and they will surely be spewing falsehoods and rubbish, screaming whataboutisms at the top of their lungs, and lashing out at anyone and everyone. There is little else for them to do, so I think we should all give them a little space and understating during this very dark period..
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Just like Jem, ppsavage from the past these people are so anger with reality this is how they lash out. They troll around making ridiculous statements as a form of percieved revenge. Shit only stinks for so long then it dries up and blows away.
 
Shadowscape, in a binary choice, if you are against one you are for the other. Doesn't that make you a strong supporter of Biden.

I 'm forgetting alot about some on the list.

As I'm the only one guessing, are you going to tell me?
 
treegongfu said:
Shadowscape, in a binary choice, if you are against one you are for the other. Doesn't that make you a strong supporter of Biden.

I 'm forgetting alot about some on the list.

As I'm the only one guessing, are you going to tell me?
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No. And where you got that idea I have no clue. But that's how you think, I guess.
 
Muggs said:
Coke or Pepsi. You can have absolutely any drink you want. Whatever you want. As long as it's a Coke. Or a Pepsi.
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Muggs said:
The fake Left/Right narrative is an intentional false dichotomy designed by the elites to divide and conquer. And it is working beautifully.
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Where would you put Trump in all this? He certainly isn’t left or right, so is he an elite, or is he simply a good old fashioned existential threat to America?
 
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Where would you put Trump in all this? He certainly isn’t left or right, so is he an elite, or is he simply a good old fashioned existential threat to America?
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He is a narcissist who has been talking about political aspirations for decades. He is an opportunist who found a way to cash in on the disaffected viewpoints of millions of Americans who have been feeling for 30 years or more that the people at the top were intentionally putting foreign interests ahead of domestic ones. I think people voted for him because he was an actual political outsider and he said he was going to approach things differently. And after decades of mismanagement by "professional" politicians, I think people just figured what the hell, lets see what this guy does. There are an awful lot of people who just want to burn things down. On both sides of the aisle, by the way.

It was also the red hat/blue hat game. It was clear to me that a red hat was going to win, after 8 years of blue hats. I don't think that it really mattered if it was DJ or anybody else, I think a red hat was going to get in. That's not how things go historically in the long run of course, but that's how they've gone since 1992. 8 years of blue, followed by 8 years of red, rinse and repeat. I just think Trump in 2016 was a product of the times.

As far as Trump from 2016 to now, I have no idea. He's off the rails. What was he trying to accomplish? No idea. Where did all the nonsense come from about him sticking up for Christian ideals or some such nonsense? No idea. I can tell you, from a media perspective, as someone outside the US, that the media has long portrayed the red hats as imbeciles. Dubya was just supposed to be some southern hick. Red hats are portrayed as dummies, blue hats are portrayed as sophisticated. Control the media, control the narrative.

I also feel like, as far as the media narrative is concerned, the very fabric of reality itself was torn in two the day that Trump was elected. Half of the country were lead to believe that they were living under Hitler himself (literally Hitler!!). And if that's what you believed then it seems perfectly justified to react the way that people did. The world now has two very separate realities, again, as far as the media narratives are concerned. I understand this myself all too well. The emergence of the biosecurity dictatorship under the pretenses of covid-1984, including the suspension of freedom of association, freedom of travel, freedom of worship, freedom of commerce, and freedom of bodily autonomy, were all things that I could never imagine I would ever see in my lifetime. Meanwhile, the Normals were going around saying things like "if it saves just one life!". This is exactly what I'm talking about with 2 separate, parallel realities.

I think for me what it really boils down to is this: what if DJ is thrown in jail tomorrow. Do the problems go away? Is it really Trump that's the problem? He only came on scene in 2016. Was everything just fine before then? If they finally "got him", does that change the fact that, at least as far as online communication is concerned, one half of the country hates the other half, and that the feeling is mutual?

Ultimately I just wish people would stop looking to government to solve their problems. That is the root cause of most of this insanity, as far as I'm concerned.
 
It is pretty clear that I do not like Trump, but I have friends who are trumpsters, and though I can’t for the life of me understand how they have been so mind-fucked by this grifter, I certainly don’t hate them, and they certainly don’t hate me.

And yes, if a president loses an election, refuses to leave office, and uses the power of the presidency in an attempt to overturn the election, committing multiple felonies in the process, then he is a big fucking problem.
 
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Muggs said:
He is a narcissist who has been talking about political aspirations for decades. He is an opportunist who found a way to cash in on the disaffected viewpoints of millions of Americans who have been feeling for 30 years or more that the people at the top were intentionally putting foreign interests ahead of domestic ones. I think people voted for him because he was an actual political outsider and he said he was going to approach things differently. And after decades of mismanagement by "professional" politicians, I think people just figured what the hell, lets see what this guy does. There are an awful lot of people who just want to burn things down. On both sides of the aisle, by the way.

It was also the red hat/blue hat game. It was clear to me that a red hat was going to win, after 8 years of blue hats. I don't think that it really mattered if it was DJ or anybody else, I think a red hat was going to get in. That's not how things go historically in the long run of course, but that's how they've gone since 1992. 8 years of blue, followed by 8 years of red, rinse and repeat. I just think Trump in 2016 was a product of the times.

As far as Trump from 2016 to now, I have no idea. He's off the rails. What was he trying to accomplish? No idea. Where did all the nonsense come from about him sticking up for Christian ideals or some such nonsense? No idea. I can tell you, from a media perspective, as someone outside the US, that the media has long portrayed the red hats as imbeciles. Dubya was just supposed to be some southern hick. Red hats are portrayed as dummies, blue hats are portrayed as sophisticated. Control the media, control the narrative.

I also feel like, as far as the media narrative is concerned, the very fabric of reality itself was torn in two the day that Trump was elected. Half of the country were lead to believe that they were living under Hitler himself (literally Hitler!!). And if that's what you believed then it seems perfectly justified to react the way that people did. The world now has two very separate realities, again, as far as the media narratives are concerned. I understand this myself all too well. The emergence of the biosecurity dictatorship under the pretenses of covid-1984, including the suspension of freedom of association, freedom of travel, freedom of worship, freedom of commerce, and freedom of bodily autonomy, were all things that I could never imagine I would ever see in my lifetime. Meanwhile, the Normals were going around saying things like "if it saves just one life!". This is exactly what I'm talking about with 2 separate, parallel realities.

I think for me what it really boils down to is this: what if DJ is thrown in jail tomorrow. Do the problems go away? Is it really Trump that's the problem? He only came on scene in 2016. Was everything just fine before then? If they finally "got him", does that change the fact that, at least as far as online communication is concerned, one half of the country hates the other half, and that the feeling is mutual?

Ultimately I just wish people would stop looking to government to solve their problems. That is the root cause of most of this insanity, as far as I'm concerned.
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Good stuff Muggs. Agree with pretty much all of that.
 
Muggs said:
He is a narcissist who has been talking about political aspirations for decades. He is an opportunist who found a way to cash in on the disaffected viewpoints of millions of Americans who have been feeling for 30 years or more that the people at the top were intentionally putting foreign interests ahead of domestic ones. I think people voted for him because he was an actual political outsider and he said he was going to approach things differently. And after decades of mismanagement by "professional" politicians, I think people just figured what the hell, lets see what this guy does. There are an awful lot of people who just want to burn things down. On both sides of the aisle, by the way.

It was also the red hat/blue hat game. It was clear to me that a red hat was going to win, after 8 years of blue hats. I don't think that it really mattered if it was DJ or anybody else, I think a red hat was going to get in. That's not how things go historically in the long run of course, but that's how they've gone since 1992. 8 years of blue, followed by 8 years of red, rinse and repeat. I just think Trump in 2016 was a product of the times.

As far as Trump from 2016 to now, I have no idea. He's off the rails. What was he trying to accomplish? No idea. Where did all the nonsense come from about him sticking up for Christian ideals or some such nonsense? No idea. I can tell you, from a media perspective, as someone outside the US, that the media has long portrayed the red hats as imbeciles. Dubya was just supposed to be some southern hick. Red hats are portrayed as dummies, blue hats are portrayed as sophisticated. Control the media, control the narrative.

I also feel like, as far as the media narrative is concerned, the very fabric of reality itself was torn in two the day that Trump was elected. Half of the country were lead to believe that they were living under Hitler himself (literally Hitler!!). And if that's what you believed then it seems perfectly justified to react the way that people did. The world now has two very separate realities, again, as far as the media narratives are concerned. I understand this myself all too well. The emergence of the biosecurity dictatorship under the pretenses of covid-1984, including the suspension of freedom of association, freedom of travel, freedom of worship, freedom of commerce, and freedom of bodily autonomy, were all things that I could never imagine I would ever see in my lifetime. Meanwhile, the Normals were going around saying things like "if it saves just one life!". This is exactly what I'm talking about with 2 separate, parallel realities.

I think for me what it really boils down to is this: what if DJ is thrown in jail tomorrow. Do the problems go away? Is it really Trump that's the problem? He only came on scene in 2016. Was everything just fine before then? If they finally "got him", does that change the fact that, at least as far as online communication is concerned, one half of the country hates the other half, and that the feeling is mutual?

Ultimately I just wish people would stop looking to government to solve their problems. That is the root cause of most of this insanity, as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with some. Trump needs to go to jail for trying to overturn the election; hording classified documents and showing them to friends; not turning over classified documents when asked by the Government. Prison needs to happen. Will it change anything? No, but it will show others that a coup of our Government is not going to happen and it is not taken lightly.
I agree that people need to quit looking to the Government to solve their problems, but that really is not what it is about. People need to pick someone to lead the country in a direction they think it needs to go, and that is what should be happening. But sadly it has become a popularity contest where ideas and leadership have gone by the wayside and no one says what they think should be done, but instead just knock whoever is running against them. Pound the other guy down so you look better than they. I have no interest in wanting a president who just badmouths other people when they are running for the office.
I'm for a test to be able to vote, because clearly a lot of people have no idea what the Constitution actually says other than they can carry a gun if they want to. And it seems most have little understanding of how the Government works.
Trump got elected because he was popular with the masses on his reality TV show for yelling and screaming at people. Why anybody with half a brain watched that crap is beyond me, but that is one of the reasons he became popular. Then his lies about building a wall and having Mexico pay for it got the anti-Mexicans crossing the border people all worked up. And why they believed he was capable of making Mexico pay for something he wanted to build is totally beyond my comprehension. Just more brainless masses. A test that includes the key parts of our constitution is needed in order to vote, but since the idiot masses would have to vote on that, it isn't going to happen either.
Our Supreme Court has turned into a circus of politicians rather than judges that interpret the law. It seems it is always reds against blues in all forms of government these days instead of, let's get together and compromise on the issues. It is just bash the other side and try and discredit them. We are in a bad way at the moment, and I fear for the wellbeing of our country. If I was 20 years younger I would leave because I think it is only going to get worse. But I am too old now and will ride it out. And I think we have gone way overboard with the 2nd Amendment and guns. It says, In order to maintain a well regulated militia... We have a well regulated militia, it is called the military and the reserves. We don't need Joe Schmo walking around with a concealed handgun who has no idea how it works, or how to be safe with it, or what the laws say he can do with it, because he is the one I am most terrified of.
 
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