drop a 75' tree in a 50' LZ

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Seems Dan and Obama have the same idea, dan is just putting to tree work. Why do the full thing when you can go half way and most the times get the same ending. Or is it I can preach and like Al Sharpten and persuede you to belive me. I think the later is his main goal.
 
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It's really nothing Bull, You know how Stephen gets when he hasn't had his chocolate.

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"I begged you not to leave me alone with the chocolates!"



SZ
 
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daddy don't throw pearls to swine... Its a shame for the rest of you

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So you're throwing pearls to swine now?
That's hysterical! ...PEARLS??? Dude!!!!

I'll cop to the swine label... but PEARLS? Un-effing-believable!


I learn stuff on this forum nearly every day but all I've learned from Daniel is...

- In most cases, balance point rigging is not worth the trouble.

-Apparently there exists a 'greatest black climber in the world' but since it's necessary specify his skin color he must not be as great as 'other-colored' climbers.

- If you want to post a video of yourself working... it should actually show you working.

- Some people have long conversations with themselves on internet forums and happily ignore well meaning, cautionary advice because they think going to an Arbormasters workshop or being popular on Arboristsite makes them an expert.

- Those same people tend to post as though they are great teachers and innovators when in fact, they're out of their depth and begging for attention.

- Some people should never be allowed to have video cameras... never mind ropes and chainsaws.

- Asking pointed questions is apparently mean and worthy of quasi-threatening PMs.


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Sorry Tom, even though I agree with you, I refuse to let that pass. This guy's in a dream world and he's assiduously recommending unsafe, unprofessional practices in public fora.
 
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I kind of want a pearl, but last time I checked there was a big black bar across it. Black pearl maybe? I think Daniel was probably meditating and getting down with some spiritual healing behind that black bar. PLEASE tell us about the "magic cut". Oh and don't worry I won't use it. I promise.
 
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I just want to apologize for coming off as rude and pompous, smug, condescending, or whatever you want to call it.. I think I just have thin skin and tend to get defensive when criticised (wether deserved or not)..

Everybody has to do what they feel comfortable with... Here's a 7 minute video that shows what I've been doing lately, standing in the hooks and dropping big tops.. sometimes I Am just trying to cut above the decay, other times the cut has to be placed hhigh to allow the top to fit in the LZ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNV5gnZpMSo

You may think its not safe, but don't be sure of what can't be done... If me saying that I AM good enough to do this safely makes me sound pompous, then I don't know how else to say it... Also consider the alternative, which is often rigging out a big tree over a house or near wires etc, there are dangers involved there that get avoided..
 
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Daniel, I appreciate you having the fortitude to come back here with contrition, that's not easy. It is obvious that you have felled a few large trees in your day, and with that experience comes knowledge. You seem like someone who has the desire to share his knowledge, which is a good thing. I have always read your posts/watched your vids with interest, but have stayed out of any arguments for lack of empirical evidence or maybe just lack of time and energy to engage in some of these back-and-forth affairs here on the buzz. So in the interest of civility, I am posting to let you know that I was pointing out the obvious, and not picking a fight.

Having said all that, the bit with the 'other' climber seems a little irrelevant, and maybe even a low blow. The guy obviously needs a bigger saw, and there is no explanation of the job, i.e, what was expected, who his groundcrew was, or if he had instructions to do what he was doing. Your video would come across much better without that part added at the end.

-Tom
 
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Dan when a group of pros with collectively more experience than you could possibly gain in dozens of lifetimes tells you that what you're doing is idiotic, doesn't that mean anything to you?

It doesn't matter how good any one of us is, when you start playing with risk like you are, sooner or later you're going to be on the losing side. And the losing side in any one of those situations in your little snuff vid is going to be broken bones and muddled innards.
 
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OK well I'm starting to feel kinda sorry for Daniel.

I do respect humility Daniel...hat's off to you.

You may want to avoid starting threads like this though in fact, you may want to keep your "secret cuts" to yourself.

Just sayin'...
 
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I put a 90 second bit at the end of this video showing a contract climber fumbling, cutting what amounts to no more than a large piece of firewood, for contrast. He charges $400/day and is booked for 2 weeks right now. He's a "highly experienced climber", but operating at a far different level with the saw.

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You are awesome Daniel.




Keep up the good work.


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Im sure that contract climber really apreciates you putting that video on the net. Then showing it to possibly some of his clients. I personally know this guy and he is a lot better than that cut made him out to be. I wonder if he realized you were recording him as he made the cut (probly the way you told him to). I dont like it when people use others to try and make them look better. Very distasteful. I hope he doesnt loose any clients over your video, except one.
 
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what the point of climbing a tree 10' foot up and felling it. you could almost achieve the same effect making a notch from the ground 6' up. if your margin of era calls for the extra 10' i would say you should revaluate how you calculate risk. It might catch up to you sooner of later.
 
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Couldn't he have fell a lot of those trees from the ground? It doesn't look like he is doing anything too dificult to me.
 
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I think the idea is to get above a defect in the tree. Such as a decay pocket. I came across a tree that I have the space to fell (large field). But the butt is decayed on the side I have to fell it to. The other option for this tree is to bring a crane in and take it down. I dont think this was meant as anything earth shattering. It isnt going to fit every tree we do. It may never fit any trees we do. But its a tool that might be helpful in that one case. I will try to get pics of this tree maybe a video, its coming down tomorrow.
 
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That looks really dangerous.

Clearly there is alot of experience here, but to me it doesn't look right.
The risks of barberchairing or butt kickback are way too high.
You wouldn't tie yourself to the stump of a tree you're felling from the ground right?!?!?!? What's the difference here?
 
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