DON'T EVEN TRY IT!

owScott said:
I would call that a mid tie or tip tie. Do this regularly from the tree while climbing. Sometimes we use a GRCS and stand the piece up into the tree. When you are in the tree you can stay on the cut and control the hinge so the butt stays on until the piece stops moving then you can clear the fiber. The person on the rope has to know what they are doing also.
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With standing stuff up I like using the mini. Instead of using the GRCS set a block at the base of the tree, get up close and personal with the mini, BMG of course, wrapp'er up, snug up, cut cut, and back up slow and steady or fast. SO much faster than a GCRS and you can go from lifting to lowering quickly with material movement almost instantly. By the time you get back from the chipper climber/bucket is set and repeat.
 
You may want to read this sitting down.There is a reason this and these other videos " havent been published before or since" because it is standard affair. What is silly is equating that nobody has " published "it or by shear quantity of videos makes the standard somehow extraordinary.
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With standing stuff up I like using the mini. Instead of using the GRCS set a block at the base of the tree, get up close and personal with the mini, BMG of course, wrapp'er up, snug up, cut cut, and back up slow and steady or fast. SO much faster than a GCRS and you can go from lifting to lowering quickly with material movement almost instantly. By the time you get back from the chipper climber/bucket is set and repeat.
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Sure that works also if you have the space, really the important point here is not how you pull on the rope but rather where the rope is tied and how you control the hinge as you are cutting. I prefer staying on the cut for more control, also i dont work out of a bucket. Another point here is this is well understood and common practice. I appreciate your point though, i too am always looking for ways to streamline a job.
 
Call me crazy but I've rigged this exactly spear cut deal up often out of the bucket. This isn't anything new, it's a classic bucket op move, is it not? Never as a climber, at least like that.
True blue is bad ass for this because you can sweat the stretch from the rope and trigger the cut dumping the stretch into the rope.
I really should have videoed and published it so I could stamp my name on the cut. I'd call it the Swinging Punchman
 
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That video was nuts...How did it NOT knock him off? The context of that cut probably went something like" dang it uncle daddy, get yur rump out they're en cut down that farwood stick so I can gets ta cookin!
 
rico said:
It is without a doubt one of the ugliest cuts I have ever seen a so-called professional make in my life. I believe it is what Daniel refers to as his "plate cut", which he uses when he is making an undercut with a bar that is smaller that the diameter of the tree. He should rename it the "training wheel" cut because clearly Daniel can't ride a bike yet...More "plate cut" and so-callled "swinging dutchman" lovlinesss from the Murphman. We could start a whole new thread on the debacle in the 2nd photo...Don't know where to even start on the shit show?
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Heres a couple 38"-48" cuts made with an undersized bar. Pretty basic shit folks. Tried and true methods and a little pride in ones sawmanship, and your shit goes where you want it to go, and you leave some decent looking stumps. Funny how pretty stumps usually lead to positive results, aint it?

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Truer words have never been spoken. I love pretty hinge wood IMG_20200225_133401.webp
 
Tom Dunlap said:
I hope this salami cut video attaches
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10158065541914486&id=512224485
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Thanks for finding this and posting it Tom.

I would like everyone to take notice of the flight path of this top, and what actually happens when one makes a slice cut while aloft. As predicted the butt slides off the slice/salami cut, which pushes the butt away from the trunk. The forward movement of the butt in turn pulls the top back in towards the tree and the climber, which in turn crushes this fool.

Again I would urge everyone here to NEVER MAKE A SLICE/SALAMI CUT WHILE ALOFT. Way too dangerous and way too many safer options at our disposal..

I would also urge everyone here to please take a majority of what Daniel Murphy says with massive doubt and skepticism.

I would also urge Daniel to please start thinking about what he is posting up, and its potential influence on young climbers...Slice/Salami cuts performed while aloft kill and maim climbers, so why even put it out there?
 
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The bad video cut looks like a straight salami cut. There was no tilt of the top away from the (ladder!!!!) climber. If the top tilted away first the kicking out of the butt would bring it back closer to vertical after tilting away from the climber. Still would have been smacked by the overhead branches though. Can anyone dig up a video of the modified cut, rather than pure salami cut? And I just learned a new word, Stangle. Doh.

Regardless of the cut, sticking something in the ground that isn't going to clear you after it finishes going down is just dumb. That's on par with setting your rigging so what you cut can move or swing back and get you rather than doing its dance below your location. I know, you can careful slow rig something right by you but you know what I'm getting at. If it's going to get up a head of steam, make sure when it finishes its motions in a position that can't get you. Think Human video.

If you had to spear something down whilst in the tree rather than remote trigger, mandatory prep would be removing the above head smackers first. This would also weight the lean force away, like prepping a questionably weighted ground based felling: preset the tree weighting in your desired felling direction. Too much fussing for a forestry setting, but a helper technique in an urban setting.

Personally I think I've only used a salami cut when rigging the whole tree and walking the spar shorter from the bottom. Smaller tree.

edit - Rico, not trying to contradict you. Just discussing. Not a technique for heavy big tops as in your neck of the woods.
 
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When dropping a top don’t people often put a pull line into the top first? Same here - no rope installed, nothing to counter the base sliding off the spar - total lack of understanding of the inertia of the top.

I drop tops semi-frequently exactly as pictured, but has the restrain rope installed, or I lean the top over on a thin scarf, and wedged, and once secure do the salami cut above it so can slip into free space rather than sideways off the spar which directs the top over the cutter (I still use a restrain rope each time).

Yes have to prune off any branches that may strike climber/bucket-operator once dropped.

Plan the cut
 
rico said:
So your willing to post up a very dangerous cut simply because your bored and trolling for a reaction? Fucking unbelievable Daniel. Really...

Despite your delusions of being a trend-setter and a true pioneer in the cutting arts, your cut is really nothing more than a slice cut on a vertical/near vertical piece of wood/top which is an extremely dangerous cut to attempt while aloft. The initial downward sliding motion of the butt pushes the the butt forward which in turn can pitch the top back towards the climber. Any backside limbs can and will also pummel a climber to within an inch of his or her life. All and all an extremely dangerous cut to make aloft, and one that should be left to only the extremely skilled. Certainly not a cut the we would want some under-skillled person to attempt on their own.
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Since when does someone posting a video potentially incriminate them for something that may happen to someone else while acting on their own accord? What happened to personal responsibility? If someone doesn't feel comfortable performing a certain type of cut or any technique related to tree work then they probably shouldn't attempt it until they are ready. Your vehemence towards Daniel in this post blows me away. He literally said "Do not try this cut."
 

salami cut aka "lawn dart technique"

Re: salami cut aka \"lawn dart technique\" I used to be on a forestry crew, we thinned pine plantations all winter. especially in white pine plantations that were planted in the 70's and the trees are a good height, but not that big in diameter. This cut worked well in bringing the marked...
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Brady Chapman said:
Since when does someone posting a video potentially incriminate them for something that may happen to someone else while acting on their own accord? What happened to personal responsibility? If someone doesn't feel comfortable performing a certain type of cut or any technique related to tree work then they probably shouldn't attempt it until they are ready. Your vehemence towards Daniel in this post blows me away. He literally said "Do not try this cut."
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