DON'T EVEN TRY IT!

Have you ever pulled a tree in a direction other than the intended drop zone? August calls them compensation pulls or compensation cripple and pull, a term that I have adopted, though I have been using the method for many years prior to making or watching tree videos and meeting August. How is it that you cannot comprehend that a tree that makes the only possible lay, landing harmlessly in the lawn could not have been pre-planned?

That playset was junk that was going to be removed by the new homeowners as they didn't have kids. I was told not to worry about damaging it. Has nobody ever heard of liability waivers being used on dangerous trees? That long-dead and rotting tulip tree was in the power company's right of way, but Asplundh refused to do it. The only other contractor that would even bid on that nasty monster put another 1500 or thereabouts over what I put on the tree. Is that too far outside your mental capability to comprehend, because I've said it many times?

That maple was not limb-locked. It simply had a lot of side-lean and was pulled far enough to clear the only obstacle and hit nothing but lawn. The limbs were touching but pulled out fairly easily. So another tree hits the LZ and you can't figure out that that was part of the plan. I simply misspoke in the heat of the moment, by saying that the tree was coming right at me, when I should have said I'm standing well within the height of the tree and the tree could come at me, so I need to be ready to escape. DO YOU REALLY THINK I WOULD PURPOSELY PUT MYSELF IN THE ACTUAL PLANNED DZ SO I WOULD NEED TO RUN when the tree started to move? Could you not see that the tree had a ton of lean and the only thing needed in that scenario was to get it past the shrub, after which it could do no damage?

I have explained these things to you over and over. Your self-admitted brain damage is the best explanation. Other than Lyme disease have you had much head trauma? Good luck with that...

and BTW, I thought that "stump pull" (if that's what you want to call it... I always thought that stump pull refers to having some portion of the roots or stump pull out of the ground) on the heavy front leaning locust was totally cool. I used an experimental cut to avoid having the tree barber chair and was amazed at the amount of control the cut had to slow the fall and get so much side movement out of such a heavy leaner. I have since tried to use a similar cut to swing heavy front leaners with limited success.
 
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Daniel said:
more BS when you're the last load has been thoroughly debunked and you don't have a leg to stand on. You simply throw mud without substance. You can't offer any type of criticism that furthers the conversation or helps people learn something. Your ugliness, name-calling and hateful attitude does exactly the opposite, by chasing good people away forever.

In the meantime, I'll keep putting trees on the ground and showing unusual ways of doing it.

Here's another spectacular video. Throwing a big top (21" diameter and something over 40' high) such a distance (22') from such a low height has not been shown before or after.
Go ahead and throw some more mud cause that's all you can do!

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Why are you calling this throwing a top like there is some magic here. The truck did the work. Cut the top, pull and keep pulling as the top is in the air. Are you saying there is something else going on here. There seems to be a common thread with your videos, a rope, a piece of equipment and a bunch of pulling.
 
Daniel said:
Throwing a big oak top... more showing off ...
What you got Erik?
Bring it don't sing it!

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When I read the words "big top" I was thinking a 75-125 ft top taken from 100 ft or more. Boy was that a fucking buzz kill...

I dont know about the rest of you, but dull saws, butchered undercuts, 35 ft tops, and bloviating about the mundane tends to leave me limp and flaccid.
 
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Have you ever pulled a tree in a direction other than the intended drop zone? August calls them compensation pulls or compensation cripple and pull, a term that I have adopted, though I have been using the method for many years prior to making or watching tree videos and meeting August. How is it that you cannot comprehend that a tree that makes the only possible lay, landing harmlessly in the lawn could not have been pre-planned?

That playset was junk that was going to be removed by the new homeowners as they didn't have kids. I was told not to worry about damaging it. Has nobody ever heard of liability waivers being used on dangerous trees? That long-dead and rotting tulip tree was in the power company's right of way, but Asplundh refused to do it. The only other contractor that would even bid on that nasty monster put another 1500 or thereabouts over what I put on the tree. Is that too far outside your mental capability to comprehend, because I've said it many times?

That maple was not limb-locked. It simply had a lot of side-lean and was pulled far enough to clear the only obstacle and hit nothing but lawn. The limbs were touching but pulled out fairly easily. So another tree hits the LZ and you can't figure out that that was part of the plan. I simply misspoke in the heat of the moment, by saying that the tree was coming right at me, when I should have said I'm standing well within the height of the tree and the tree could come at me, so I need to be ready to escape. DO YOU REALLY THINK I WOULD PURPOSELY PUT MYSELF IN THE ACTUAL PLANNED DZ SO I WOULD NEED TO RUN when the tree started to move? Could you not see that the tree had a ton of lean and the only thing needed in that scenario was to get it past the shrub, after which it could do no damage?

I have explained these things to you over and over. Your self-admitted brain damage is the best explanation. Other than Lyme disease have you had much head trauma? Good luck with that...

and BTW, I thought that "stump pull" (if that's what you want to call it... I always thought that stump pull refers to having some portion of the roots or stump pull out of the ground) on the heavy front leaning locust was totally cool. I used an experimental cut to avoid having the tree barber chair and was amazed at the amount of control the cut had to slow the fall and get so much side movement out of such a heavy leaner. I have since tried to use a similar cut to swing heavy front leaners with limited success.
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Original story line-

"but with the hanging top possibly locking tips with the adjacent branches I kept the hinge thin enough to ensure the pull was enough to get the top limb free."

"of course I saw it was a bit tangled"

Revised story line-

"That maple was not limb locked"

Original story line-

"It gonna be coming right at me so I'm gonna have to boogie when it comes over"

Revised story line-

"I simply misspoke in the heat of the moment, by saying that the tree was coming right at me, when I should have said I'm standing well within the height of the tree and the tree could come at me, so I need to be ready to escape."

Or you could just telll the fucking truth... Your tree had some limb lock with the nearby tree, and you missed your lay by a wide margin..
 
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Reach said:
We could stir things up some more and ask why Daniel’s alleged Certified Arborist credentials do not appear on the ISA’s website, and all the links on his own website that link to the ISA site are broken...
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Maybe Daniel "simply misspoke in the heat of the moment" and what he "should have said" is that he "could" be on the ISA's list of Certified Arborists if he wanted to.
 
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DO you really think I would put myself in the actual intended fall?

There was another maple spar that was slightly blocking the view so I began to move to my right, just as I was calling for the pull, so this was I was shooting and commenting on the fly.

Did you notice there was a second doubled line that was tied a little lower than the pull line? That was a right angle retainer line. The only reason that line was there was to protect the shrub. Losing the tree to the side weight was not unexpected. It was a given.

The only thing that was needed there was making sure the tree cleared the shrub, which it did. If you look closely, you'll see that the but only brushed the tree after it hit and rolled.

One thing to keep in mind when it comes to throwing tops, the higher your cut is the more time you get for forward movement before the splash. So cutting from a lower height makes a farther throw more difficult.

PS. I've been certified twice by the ISA, last time I got a 94 after 2.5 hours of study the night before. I think the test was easier the second time and it appears that they changed the grading system to make it easier. My guess ... it's all about the $
 
Your own words make it crystal clear that you were fully expecting that tree to come right where you were standing, and that you were ready to vacate the area....You didn't need to budge though because you lost your tree sideways.

A little bit of work ethic combined with some clean cutting and any decent tree-man could have put that tree right in your fucking lap Daniel. That limb locked top, that for some strange reason you decided to just leave up there, and that fucking gawd awful 40 degree out of plumb undercut all but guaranteed that you were destined to loose that tree over sideways.. Lazy hackery at its finest.

Besides hacking away with a dull saw and making yet another horrid undercut, what exactly is your secret for "THROWING" a top Daniel?
 
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Your own words make it crystal clear that you were fully expecting that tree to come right where you were standing, and that your we ready to vacate the area....You didn't need to budge though because you lost your tree sideways.

A little bit of work ethic combined with some clean cutting and any decent tree-man could have put that tree right in your fucking lap Daniel. That limb locked top, that for some strange reason you decided to just leave up there, and that fucking gawd awful 40 degree out of plumb undercut all but guaranteed that you were destined to loose that tree over sideways.. Lazy hackery at its finest.

Besides hacking away with a dull saw and making yet another horrid undercut, what exactly is your secret for "THROWING" a top Daniel?
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Erik, i have noticed something lately. People trying to repackage terms from standard old terms to something that means the same but sounds new. Examples, pretitled for used car, paired homes for duplex. Throwing a top, stangle, publishing a video. Throwing a top is pulling a top out with a rope, stangle is a slice cut with a notch and publishing is fancy for posting a video. Oh yeah our favorite, alternate facts which means bullshit. Pulling back leaners is much the same, notch it start a back cut and pull like hell. Done it only i usually stay on the cut to control the hinge.
 
Throwing a top? One of the most ridiculous tree terms I have ever heard. You can pull a top with a tagline. You can bang a top over with wedges. You can even use the movement on a tall spar to help push a top forward if you know how. Throwing a top? Silly Daniel gobbledegook speak.
 
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Daniel said:
More run of the mill tree work that has never before or since been published:

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I would call that a mid tie or tip tie. Do this regularly from the tree while climbing. Sometimes we use a GRCS and stand the piece up into the tree. When you are in the tree you can stay on the cut and control the hinge so the butt stays on until the piece stops moving then you can clear the fiber. The person on the rope has to know what they are doing also.
 
How many more videos do you reckon Daniel is gonna have to "publish" before we all come to our senses and finally realize that we are in the presence of greatness? A legend... A pioneer... A hall of famer... A Tree God (currently ISA uncertified)...

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I would call that a mid tie or tip tie. Do this regularly from the tree while climbing. Sometimes we use a GRCS and stand the piece up into the tree. When you are in the tree you can stay on the cut and control the hinge so the butt stays on until the piece stops moving then you can clear the fiber. The person on the rope has to know what they are doing also.
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Surely you are not sugggesting that this is a fairly run of the mill technique that most here have done many times over?
 
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